photoshop new body

[gwar1000]

It could be cool to do something a little more adventurous

[Karlo]

Gwar

Great photo chop:clap:. You have some talent. :D

[gwar1000]

Some of the new Atom Clones look very nice but I think they lack character in the body style just my 2cents.

[Degeneerit]

Wow that looks great. I bet there will be a huge demand for an engine cover like that one since one will not be offered.

[Benji]

That looks mint, something I think Fran should seriously consider if at all possible.

The only modification I would make to it would be F1 style front wings low down on the front for style and downforce.

[gwar1000]

with the wing

[Benji]

You sir, are a freaking genious, that is *EXACTLY* what had in mind and *EXACTLY* how I would like it to look, honestly, that is PERFECT.

Fran? :D

[Benji]

Okay how about, could you add four seperate headlights in their own pods, two each side but each pair is side by side. Raise the very two outer ones ever so slightly higher up then the two inner ones.

Style actual light from them with round BMW angel eyes type LED side lights (http://www.xenon-bulbs.com/xenon%20pics/angel.jpg) and put a yellow LED bar underneath each pair like its underlining the two pods each side making sure it follows the raised outer lights for indicaters.

:D

[gwar1000]

with side pod

[Fran Hall RCR]

Nice rendering...

I would be more than happy to purchase the bodypanels and offer them as an official rebody.......only after someone else has done and funded all the development work and manufactured the moulds and panels ,
also after any and all necessary changes to appease everyones personal taste and incidental changes have been made... dont forget to add a windshield and wiper and some extra rollover protection...etc etc etc ....

I am sure you guys get my drift.....dont forget that we still need to keep this car at the 16k mark to make it effective in the market place and fulfill my original design brief.....

Cost creep and not keeping ones eye on the target can lead small volume manufcaturers down a slippery slope...can anyone say Tesla???

[Degeneerit]

This would definitely have to be a third party product. I cant imagine how much R and D alone would be on that. Would you be willing to share the cad rendering of the slr with a potential maker fran?

[Fran Hall RCR]

You mean chassis CAD????...NO not with a "potential" maker..but once I get a water tight (legal)commitment on supply, pricing and timing then its available if all criteria are in order.

If someone generates accurate production surface data for the body panels/design shown then it becomes a whole lot easier and faster to go to production......

[gwar1000]

If someone generates accurate production surface data for the body panels/design shown then it becomes a whole lot easier and faster to go to production......




Surface data can be had. VERY EASY FROM MY SIDE

Anyway. If you need any photoshop work/surface data work in the future email me gwar1000@hotmail.com

Thanks, Gabe

[Fran Hall RCR]

Gabe,

I have surface and NC data for my products.

Why not have the body cut in foam and continue the project from the drawing stage?

The parts should be cut to include all mating flanges/surfaces with alignment points built in for a good body fit.

How long before you could have something physical to us to evaluate?

[gwar1000]

I have surface and NC data for my products.

Did you mean CNC data.
Surface Data with mating flanges no problem
Does you CAD data have fastening locations and all the proper interfacing surfaces Like control arms, dash board ,ETC...

I do not have access to a mill so foam evaluation may not possible unless I go old school. All evaluting data would be on the computer.

Thanks Gabe

[gwar1000]

Fran can you send me
a nice rear view of the car at a higher res than whats on the website. I would like to redo the front as well at a higher res

gwar1000@hotmail.com

[Fran Hall RCR]

Yes CNC...mistyped.

As I mentioned in an earlier post the cost is prohibitive and I would want someone else to fund the development and supply the components.

Am I presuming that this is not your intention?

Your designs are cool but my concern is their similarity to another brand may cause IP/copyright issues.....

From an RCR standpoint, a new body is not on the cards.....hence my request for a physical package not just data.

The cool thing about the SL-R is that someone could take your renderings...or their own for that matter and make a body themselves over time whilst driving the car and having fun...instead of waiting for a supplier or RCR to finalise a design and impliment its launch.

K.I.S.S.....and affordable.....:clap:

[Benji]

Fran, absolutely, I can see your points exactly.

Gabe, its like you are in my head, that is again *EXACTLY* what I am talking about. You see I have the ideas in my head, I've actually thought up a few ideas visually for various things, I even want to entirely design my own car.

The issue I have is that the ideas are in my head and I lack the skill completely to transition them from my head to paper/computer. I could design the hell out of this body but I couldn't show you, but you've been great at putting the ideas in my head on 'paper'.

I was gonna say about the rear but I guess we don't have the correct pics to model around. Fran, Gabe, if we took it off board and signed some sort of NDA, would you be able to provide something to work with prior to the release of the SLR?

For now, a couple of things, the front left wheel is missing its mudgaurd :( Also, now I have seen it I don't think the inidicators would go so well at the front with the light pods however, doing a strip of yellow LEDs across the split line on the wing mirrors should do the trick.

I'd love to get a look at how the rear end could be..... I hope I am not coming across bossy or anything Gabe and Fran?

Gabe, I love you work, I think it is truely amazing. Fran, I love you goals and the fact you set out to achieve them.

You are probably more experienced in this, I am trying to work out costs and what is required to ship something like the SLR/C in a crate over to the UK.... I'm also interested on how to reduce costs if doing it in volume.....

[gwar1000]

Hey Benji if you need more Ideas email me.
Gwar1000@hotmail.com The ideas that I shown on this page I didn’t take much time to think about when theres more involved more time would be spent on all the above.

Fran the drawing on the right side of this page is that the body you will be selling?

Oh by the way the K.I.S.S. method always works, but next to an ATOM it might look generic.

[Fran Hall RCR]

To be honest Gabe,

Once seen in the flesh it is anything but generic.....less can be more sometimes.

I may not have to worry too much about the Atom as I am not chasing their demographic...hence my sub $16k price point with a
fully TIG welded DOM chassis ...
CNC billet uprights,
4 piston calipers on all four corners,
vented , slotted and driled rotors as standard,
fuel tank,
pedals,
Stainless steel brake lines including resid. valves and master cylinders...
17 inch wheels
coilover shocks
etc etc ...
You get the picture.....and if the Atom rumours are correct..????????!!!!!!...
The engine package supplier I am working is coming online at the end of March with Honda dropin packages...

OH yeah ...one week lead time by June of 08 for an SL-R roller...minus drivetrain and tyres/tires...maybe earlier than that in reality...

Thanks for your positive input....its entertaining.

[gwar1000]

Dont get me wrong I saw the Chassis Images in another topic and it looks HOT thats why I'm so interested.
At 15,995 I get a rolling chassis? Can I order Engine and drivetrain from you or do I go through someone else? Also do I order the body from you as well?
Thanks
Gabe

[Fran Hall RCR]

GABE,
for 16k you get an assembled for shipping rolling chassis...WITH body....you do however need to drop ship or purchase tyres/tires to make completely rolling.

I am working with a company that will be supplying complete Honda drivetrains......three basic stages 200-250-300hp.....pricing has not been finalised just yet...

[BSchoolProf]

No doubt, the pictures that started this thread look pretty cool. However, I see a lot of body panels, and it seems to be drifting away from the true idea of an exo-car. I built a few muscle cars when I was younger, but I kind of drifted away from the whole performance car genre for a while, as family and career took over. I’ve been living in Europe for the past few years, and I recently saw an Atom. I fell in love all over again with the idea of, basically, a 4-wheel motorcycle. I don’t want any body panels – just a seat, safety harness, and roll-cage all strapped to a motor! I will be moving back stateside this summer, and I will be seriously investigating the SL-R.

I agree with Fran. Stick to your core idea. The more you add design-flare elements, the more your costs run up and also the less differentiated you are from the million other kit cars out there. You have an interesting product, targeted at an under-served niche (minimalist budget-conscious power:weight freaks). Exo all the way, I say!

[B-T]

I think the rendering of the F-1 is PERFECT! On a scale of 1-10i'd give it a 10.5. While you can still see the frame, there are a few panels that give the car some shape, and also are very functional. I haven't been this psyched about a car purchase since I got my 348.:eyecrazy:
BT

[Gage]

That body design looks fantastic.

[soon_2b_evil]

I don’t want any body panels – just a seat, safety harness, and roll-cage all strapped to a motor! I will be moving back stateside this summer, and I will be seriously investigating the SL-R.

I agree with Fran. Stick to your core idea. The more you add design-flare elements, the more your costs run up and also the less differentiated you are from the million other kit cars out there. You have an interesting product, targeted at an under-served niche (minimalist budget-conscious power:weight freaks). Exo all the way, I say!

i agree with him. I want it bare so it look nices (to me) and you can see everything move within there purpose.
Also Fran also said the roller comes with the body as well? so im guess whenever you feel like dressing up you can! THen when you wanna be a REAL eye catcher take them off.


To be honest Gabe,

Once seen in the flesh it is anything but generic.....less can be more sometimes.

I may not have to worry too much about the Atom as I am not chasing their demographic...hence my sub $16k price point with a
fully TIG welded DOM chassis ...
CNC billet uprights,
4 piston calipers on all four corners,
vented , slotted and driled rotors as standard,
fuel tank,
pedals,
Stainless steel brake lines including resid. valves and master cylinders...
17 inch wheels
coilover shocks
etc etc ...
You get the picture.....and if the Atom rumours are correct..????????!!!!!!...
The engine package supplier I am working is coming online at the end of March with Honda dropin packages...

OH yeah ...one week lead time by June of 08 for an SL-R roller...minus drivetrain and tyres/tires...maybe earlier than that in reality...
Thanks for your positive input....its entertaining.

THats what i like to hear right there. Have some Tires Drop ship to RCR and then wait for the car to get to the house and then take a weekend and swap in your motor and done ready to ROCK AND ROLL!

[Gage]

THats what i like to hear right there. Have some Tires Drop ship to RCR and then wait for the car to get to the house and then take a weekend and swap in your motor and done ready to ROCK AND ROLL!

Oh if only it were that simple.

[Degeneerit]

Yeah I think your looking at at least 50 hours not including paint work. Not bad considering a FFR GTM is around 400 hours.

[Fran Hall RCR]

I think you will find that the GTM takes closer to 1000 hours to complete

[#Rotor]

:old:


I can't see any of the pictures....

:nervous:

[soon_2b_evil]

Oh if only it were that simple.

Oh i thought maybe it was that simple. Maybe im missing something there.

Yeah I think your looking at at least 50 hours not including paint work. Not bad considering a FFR GTM is around 400 hours.

So what else and i not seeing? Maybe my eyes (since being asian) arent seeing the whole picture!

[B-T]

Well, from what I can think of (and there may be more):

Drop in the engine / trans.
Fab up an intake / header / exhaust.
Wire sensors from engine to dash.
Set up Drive By wire throttle (in my case) or run throttle cable to engine.
Set up shift linkage (engine linkage is coming from opposite side of engine from factory installation. You will need to make some brackets to hold the end of the shift cables in 'front' of engine.
Connect / fab up radiator connections.
Tune ECU to your setup.
Wire license plate lighting / install license plate bracket.
Possibly fab / install tube bumpers.
Possibly fab drive shafts / install drive shafts.
Fill all fluids and bleed system (clutch / brakes / radiator / trans / engine)
Additional paint work???
If I can do all that in 50 hours I would be really happy. I expect to take maybe 150-200 hours and that would be great also!!!
:clap:
BT

[soon_2b_evil]

Well, from what I can think of (and there may be more):

Drop in the engine / trans.
Fab up an intake / header / exhaust.
Wire sensors from engine to dash.
Set up Drive By wire throttle (in my case) or run throttle cable to engine.
Set up shift linkage (engine linkage is coming from opposite side of engine from factory installation. You will need to make some brackets to hold the end of the shift cables in 'front' of engine.
Connect / fab up radiator connections.
Tune ECU to your setup.
Wire license plate lighting / install license plate bracket.
Possibly fab / install tube bumpers.
Possibly fab drive shafts / install drive shafts.
Fill all fluids and bleed system (clutch / brakes / radiator / trans / engine)
Additional paint work???
If I can do all that in 50 hours I would be really happy. I expect to take maybe 150-200 hours and that would be great also!!!
:clap:
BT

OH man this sounds Great. I can do the I/H/E myself and fab it! ***Y!
Yeah i think the hardest part would be doing the shift linkage.

Man im really excited about this. Man i dont know if i could wait to X-mas i might to jump into this sooner then later!

[cheapracer]

Great stuff!

[cheapracer]

Nice rendering...

I would be more than happy to purchase the bodypanels and offer them as an official rebody.......only after someone else has done and funded all the development work and manufactured the moulds and panels ,
also after any and all necessary changes to appease everyones personal taste and incidental changes have been made... dont forget to add a windshield and wiper and some extra rollover protection...etc etc etc ....

I am sure you guys get my drift.....dont forget that we still need to keep this car at the 16k mark to make it effective in the market place and fulfill my original design brief.....

Cost creep and not keeping ones eye on the target can lead small volume manufcaturers down a slippery slope...can anyone say Tesla???

Yep, it's like buying a base Toyota Torolla for 10K and by the time the option salesman has finished with you "and how about our anti-spill seat treatment, etc.", you could have bought a base Camry ;-)

Great renders.

[gwar1000]

Thanks! Just email or PM me with your questions!
I do 2D sketches and 3D alias models ready for production!

[gwar1000]

Heres another, Mongrel EXO

[Chadillac]

^ Awesome job! I think that's my favorite so far.

[cheapracer]

^ Awesome job! I think that's my favorite so far.


I've already started the build here www.flickr.com/cheapracer

http://www.exocars.net/showthread.php?p=5095#post5095 post 25 has some other colours too.

Great work Gabe!