MEV Sonic 7 - My first build for 20 years

[Nigel]

Hi everyone, now my kids have all but grown up and are becoming interested in motor cars, its means that I can now enjoy once more my hobby of building cars, :thumb2: as the misses once said "..............I'd rather you have a toy car to keep you occupied, than a younger women”. :D

Hay if you'd like to know and read more then visit my build site www.mevsonic7.co.uk and see how I get on :wave:

[Karlo]

Nigel

What color are painting your ride?

[Gage]

Blue and white according to his website.

[Nigel]

59 laser cut chassis details, welded then powder coated in black - chassis now complete :clap: , Blue and White 11 peace fiberglass body panel pack well under way :clap: with the first new design color matched seat in the mold, White seats fitted with blue 4 point harnesses :thumb2: Looking forward to collection. :spin::spin::spin:

[britvette]

Nigel , Web site looks great - I am planning to hopefully start on a MEV rocket next year . I would love to hear about how your experience has been so far . I know you are building a sonic 7 but I guess they are pretty similar .
I am also trying to get in touch with anyone in the UK that has built or is building a rocket . I would love to dicuss thier build process , getting the donor car , their budget compared to the 6K that MEV says should be your projected budget , their views as to how the build went and if they have finished , if they are pleased with the outcome etc.
I have been trying all week to get in touch with MEVROCKET , a member on here who has a site detailing his build but he has not posted in his guestbook since Jan 2008 , I think he finished his build but I have no idea if he still has the car or what , it seems that he has not posted on here since March either :nervous: .
If you know this guy or know anyone else that has a rocket , I would appreciate being put in touch with them :thumb2:

Paul

[Karlo]

Nice Nigel !!

[Nigel]

Nigel , Web site looks great - I am planning to hopefully start on a MEV rocket next year . I would love to hear about how your experience has been so far . I know you are building a sonic 7 but I guess they are pretty similar .
I am also trying to get in touch with anyone in the UK that has built or is building a rocket . I would love to dicuss thier build process , getting the donor car , their budget compared to the 6K that MEV says should be your projected budget , their views as to how the build went and if they have finished , if they are pleased with the outcome etc.
I have been trying all week to get in touch with MEVROCKET , a member on here who has a site detailing his build but he has not posted in his guestbook since Jan 2008 , I think he finished his build but I have no idea if he still has the car or what , it seems that he has not posted on here since March either :nervous: .
If you know this guy or know anyone else that has a rocket , I would appreciate being put in touch with them :thumb2:

Paul

Hi Paul,

Sorry for not getting back to you earlier have sent you a PM on the www.allcarclub.co.uk site

Great to here your interested in a Rocket as I've said in my post next time your in the UK you'll have to come and visit.

Nigel

PS:- MEV Sonic7 on front cover of this months complete kit car magazine 'exclusive first look' www.completekitcar.co.uk and I think next month there's a road test / review on the MEV Rocket

[Nigel]

Just to let you all know updated my build website www.mevsonic7.co.uk and have collected my kit this weekend XMAS has come early, so big more frequent updates to follow but please be patient as I've got to build it before i can write about it.

The Build is ON

Regards Nigel

[Nigel]

Fortnightly update posted If your interested www.mevsonic7.co.uk

[Karlo]

You are blazing a new trail !!

Are you the first Sonic7?

The white and blue colors are striking!!!

[Nigel]

You are blazing a new trail !!

Are you the first Sonic7?

The white and blue colors are striking!!!

Glad you like the color scheme :D Blue/White and Black still trying to decide if to have white wheels.

There are 4 Sonic's currently in various stages 1. The Black and Orange Demo 2. another Black and Orange Demo nearing completion, both cars owned by MEV 3. A chap on the Isle of White (South coast of England) is currently building one, his engine is in, and 4. My build. :coolnana:

I'm just enjoying the Build :thumb2:

[B-T]

The blue and white looks great!
I think if it were me, I would stay away from the white wheels. I'd go for silver, gunmetal, or black.
But hey, it's your car, make it what you want!!!
Looks great so far.
BT

[Karlo]

The blue and white looks great!
I think if it were me, I would stay away from the white wheels. I'd go for silver, gunmetal, or black.
But hey, it's your car, make it what you want!!!
Looks great so far.
BT


I vote for black wheels like Jetpower has.

[Gage]

I like the blue and white paint scheme as well.

[Nigel]

Just a quick note to all you car nuts, just finished in the garage for the day (8.30pm) and can report that i have just completed a TI of the engine gearbox installation, hydraulics all but done. So its all hands to the pumps on the electrics for the next couple of weeks.

Feeling very happy with my self, and am enjoying the build immensely.

[Karlo]

Thanks for the update. Look forward to your next Picture update soon!!

[britvette]

sounds like things are going well :thumb2:
Waiting for the next installment on your site :clap:

Paul

[Nigel]

OK no white wheels. Silver OK ? Shod with Yoko A539's

[cordycord]

Class rims. Nice choice.

[B-T]

OK no white wheels. Silver OK ? Shod with Yoko A539's

Those look great!
I like the 7 spoke look also.
Can't wait to see the finished car.
:)
BT

[Nigel]

Sorry for being a little quite of late :(

Had to work right over Christmas and the New Year :(

However managed to get the day off today and together with a couple of clear weekends ahead hope to make a little progress :thumb2: (Sorry for not updating my website on time)

Had a great day today and have now all but completed the 'electrics' so achieved first engine run today :clap:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Build%20Fun/th_MVI_5720.jpg (http://s177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Build%20Fun/?action=view&current=MVI_5720.flv)

Now to start fitting the body work :D:D:D

(will try and update website next week and yes the accelerator cable is at the moment a piece of string and the tailpipe is not fitted, but it is running on the standard ECU)

[Karlo]

The Sonic7 seems to be true to its short build time.

You are moving :breakn:

[mkim1]

Looking great, Nigel !!!

BTW, if you were to add an intercooler above the engine, do you think you wil still have a decent rear visibility from your white seat, or do you think it will be higher than the top of your head / seatback?

[britvette]

Looking good , considering you have not had much time of late , it is coming along really well . Sounds nice too :D
Keep up the good work:thumb2:

[cdmershon]

The build looks awesome, and your really moving along! MEV has pics of their E-Dash but I was wondering if it was as easy as they say? Also, what all does the other device display? There are no pics online of the speed gauge anywhere

[Nigel]

MEV Recommend the 'Vapor - Digital Dashboard' supplied in the UK by Rally Design :) see link below :-

http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=13584

[Nigel]

Just a quick note to let you guys in the USA know, that in the absence of a dedicated MEV Owners Website, and much like on here, space has been created on the http://forum.allcarclub.co.uk/index.cg forum for current owners/builders in the UK to display and discuss there cars. :spin:

Now its back to the Garage :thumb2:

[cordycord]

Nigel, as one of the few who have driven the Sonic, I'd love to hear more about how it handles, the performance, etceteras. You must have liked it a bit, as you bought one!

Also, do you find that there's any interference from the bodywork with your elbow during spirited driving?

[Nigel]

Nigel, as one of the few who have driven the Sonic, I'd love to hear more about how it handles, the performance, etceteras. You must have liked it a bit, as you bought one!

Also, do you find that there's any interference from the bodywork with your elbow during spirited driving?

Apologies for not responding earlier but i have been a bit busy in the garage trying to get the car finished :D

I'm a little reluctant to describe in detail my experiences with both the Rocket and the Sonic and feel that the driving experience is best described by a more competent driver/writer.

The magazine editor Ian Hyne of 'Kit-car' Magazine publishes this week an article regarding his first driving experience of the Sonic and i feel his ability would do it far better justice, (I will post the article later this week)

As for what convinced me to purchase a Sonic takes me back to my first experience in the passenger seat of the Rocket, when during my first demonstration ride, I requested Stuart to demonstrate the cars 'brake-out'. I asked Stuart to continually go around a round-about of approximately 80mtr in dia ever increasing speed until the cars grip gave up, considering the combined cost of the wheels and tyre's was only £350, tyre's of a brand I'd never heard of, and that they were cold, I was stunned at the cars reluctance to give, and even more astonished that when we reached that point 'necks straining' of 'brake-out' the car didn't snap but began very gently and evenly to drift in a totally controllable manor. That was me sold........:thumb2:

[Karlo]

Thanks Nigel for the Review.

We look forward to the article :thumb2:

[Karlo]

Found some of Nigels pics

[Nigel]

Just thought I'd post this pic, I'm getting close to going for my all important SVA Single Vehicle Approval certificate, so its been a weekend of testing and tweaking and beding those brakes in.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Build%20Fun/IMG_6131.jpg

[britvette]

Looking very :cool3: :coolnana: - When is the big day - best of luck with it:thumb2:

[golftdibrad]

Great work, nice site. Did you use copper for your brake line? I read in more than one place that its a bad idea, but as with many things YMMV. May want to keep an eye on them over the next few years.

Great work!
-Brad

[britvette]

Why would copper be an issue ??

[golftdibrad]

copper work hardens and becomes prone to cracking over time.

[britvette]

Interesting - how much time ?

thanks

[golftdibrad]

Depends on how much stress the material is under in relation to its cross sectional area. If you used a copper nickel alloy you should be fine. I really don't know much beyond that; I read in one of Carrol Smith's books not to use copper for brake line. His books have not lead me astray yet.

[britvette]

OK ....useful to know - thanks:thumb2:

[cordycord]

More pictures please!!!

[Nigel]

I when for my SVA on Friday (27th March 2009) late afternoon and unfortunately have to report that i was unsuccessful this time around. :thumbdown2:

However i have to confess to not being to disappointed as with the exception of one item, of which Stuart at MEV will be resolving, the other 6 failure points are all relatively minor and can be resolved within the best part of a single days work. :thumb2:

I decided to trailer the car to the test center, some 60+ miles from my home, thus ensuring my attendance at the test. The return journey on the other hand was another issue. With my good lady towing an empty trailer (and trying to keep up) I enjoyed my first good long distance drive partly in the rain and the dark. All i can say is that the disappointment of not passing the SVA soon faded, and i have been smiling ever since :spin::spin::spin:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Build%20Fun/IMG_6144.jpg

(The front alloys removed to assist loading - don't want them scratched)

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Build%20Fun/IMG_6145.jpg

(Not allowed without head office approval to take photos during the test - The 4 hour test starts)

[britvette]

Sorry to hear that it didn't get through :( But glad to hear that it is nothing serious and you will be on the road in short time :coolnana:.
It will take weeks to wipe that smile off your face once you have that piece of paper in your hands and you are all clear.

Paul

[Nigel]

Well I'm pleased to inform you all that today was a good day for a change the rain cleared and the sun came out.

Knowing that you like your pics here's me arrived and ready for the retest. :nervous:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Testing/IMG_6313.jpg

Just when you don't expect it a sidelight bulb blows, always remember to bring spare bulbs. :(

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Testing/IMG_6305.jpg

After a lot of worry and money I get a little peace of paper


:spin: PASS PASS PASS :spin:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Documents/Sonic7MAC.jpg

:spin: PASS PASS PASS :spin:


With my MAC (Minister's Approval Certificate) in hand, proof of a SVA (Single Vehicle Approval) PASS I can now apply to the DVLA (Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency) to have the Vehicle registered for the road and number plates issued. :thumb2: Paperwork Paperwork Paperwork

[B-T]

I can't believe I did not see these pics earlier.
Congratulations! The car looks absolutely fantastic! :coolnana:
I really like the color combination, the wheels, everything!
How many hours would you guess are in the build for the car?
Recap if you could the things you might have done differently if you were to do the project again (buy the wiring harness from the factory, etc...?).
Really, really happy for you that the car passed and you can enjoy driving it around the countryside shortly!
Way to go!
:coolnana:
BT

[Chadillac]

Congragulations! The car looks great.

That is a lot of paperwork to get your car registered for the street.

[Nigel]

I can't believe I did not see these pics earlier.
Congratulations! The car looks absolutely fantastic! :coolnana:
I really like the color combination, the wheels, everything!
How many hours would you guess are in the build for the car?
Recap if you could the things you might have done differently if you were to do the project again (buy the wiring harness from the factory, etc...?).
Really, really happy for you that the car passed and you can enjoy driving it around the countryside shortly!
Way to go!
:coolnana:
BT

Thanks for the kind comments.

I'm not an hour counter, as I build because I enjoy it. The other thing I would say, it that as its such a new car and there's virtually no reference material, I took considerably longer over certain issues than I should have done. There are also quite a few things that I would have done differently and have already made one or two modifications while waiting for my retest.

Due to this I have held back a little from updating my website as I don't wish to give prospective or current builders a bum steer.

I have always kept Stuart Mills at MEV abreast of any problems that I have had in order that he can simplify and or improve the kit. I have also already created a list of future improvements that I wish to make.

All will be revealed on my build site www.mevsonic7.co.uk in the future. (over 200miles of testing to date - got to get it on the road and then to a track)

[Pagester]

outstanding news Nigel!

[LexTalonis]

Congrats, that is by far the best looking Sonic 7 I have seen.

Sean

[cordycord]

Congrats Nigel! Your car looks awesome--a top flight build.

[Nigel]

Congrats Nigel! Your car looks awesome--a top flight build.

Your very kind Cord, but I have to confess that I'm unhappy with many cosmetic aspects of my build at this stage, nothing wrong with the kit itself you understand but due to time restraints driven by the change in Rules SVA to IVA, I have not been as astute as I would have liked to have been. Therefore I still need to touch up little bits of the plastic coating where I have chipped it during build/testing also I have chipped one or two spots of the fiberglass that I need to repair etc,etc,etc.

But I am glad I took the route I did as the IVA test is approximately 2.5 times the cost of an SVA ie I wouldn't have had much change out of $1,000 (God Dam Government) :thumbdown2:

Thats why no close up pics yet and I've had my arm twisted by Stiggy so I'm going to have to take it to the Stoneleigh Show and have it poured over by far better builders than me :nervous: Also Stiggy will cast his expert eye over it and probably tell me what I've done wrong :(

Not looking forward to this. :nervous::nervous::nervous:

[bolus]

that is a very cool color combo.

Why does it take 4 hours to test?

I just passed my emission testing. They plugged in the OBD reader and 10 seconds later I was passed :)

[Nigel]

Why does it take 4 hours to test?


It takes that long with you assisting them as called upon to cover all aspects of the test.

To give you a flavor of whats entailed see below the Contents List of the current IVA (261 page) test manual

Contents Page
Foreword
Non-European and Other Acceptable Standards
IVA Manual with Basic Requirements
01 Noise
02A Visual Emissions
02B Metered Emissions
02C Diesel Emission
03A Fuel Tanks
04 Rear Registration Plate Space
05 Steering Effort
06 Door Latches and Hinges
07 Audible Warning
08 Indirect Vision
09A Brake Systems
09B Service Brake Control / Mechanical Components
09C Park Brake Control / Mechanical Components
09D Hydraulic and Vacuum Systems
09E Brake Performance
10 Electromagnetic Compatibility
12 Interior Fittings
13A Anti – Theft / Immobiliser
13B Anti – Theft / Alarm
14 Protective Steering
15 Seat Strength
16 Exterior Projections
17 Speedometer and Reverse Gear
18 Statutory Plates
19 Seat Belt Anchorages
20 Installation of Lights
21 Retro Reflectors
22 Position, Marker, Stop and Daytime Running Lamps
23 Direction Indicators
24 Rear Registration Lamps
25 Headlamps
26 Front Fog Lamps
28 Rear Fog Lamps
29 Reversing Lamps
30 Parking Lamps
31 Seat Belts
32 Forward Vision
33 Identification of Controls
34 Defrost / Demist
35 Wash wipe
36 Heating Systems
37 Wheel Guards
44 Masses and Dimensions
45 Safety Glass
46 Tyres
50 Couplings
60 Frontal Protection System (Bull bar)
General Construction
Normal IVA Requirements
01 Noise
02 Emissions
09 Braking
13A Anti – Theft / Immobiliser
13B Anti – Theft / Alarm
14 Protective Steering
19 Seat Belt Anchorages
39 Fuel Consumption / CO2 Emissions
53 Frontal Impact
54 Side Impact
Glossary of Terms

If you are still interested further then you can view the document at http://www.mevltd.co.uk/mev/iva_inspectionmanual_m1_passengercars.pdf (Take a look at item '19 Seat Belt Anchorages' its a good example of what your up against)

Although many people claim to pass first time, truthfully it's very rare without at least a little tweaking, as one - the document is subjective and open to interpretation in many areas, and two - its almost a personal challenge for the inspector to find something wrong. :thumbdown2:

Any way, for me at least its over until the next build :)

[cordycord]

Your very kind Cord, but I have to confess that I'm unhappy with many cosmetic aspects of my build at this stage, nothing wrong with the kit itself you understand but due to time restraints driven by the change in Rules SVA to IVA, I have not been as astute as I would have liked to have been. Therefore I still need to touch up little bits of the plastic coating where I have chipped it during build/testing also I have chipped one or two spots of the fiberglass that I need to repair etc,etc,etc.

But I am glad I took the route I did as the IVA test is approximately 2.5 times the cost of an SVA ie I wouldn't have had much change out of $1,000 (God Dam Government) :thumbdown2:

Thats why no close up pics yet and I've had my arm twisted by Stiggy so I'm going to have to take it to the Stoneleigh Show and have it poured over by far better builders than me :nervous: Also Stiggy will cast his expert eye over it and probably tell me what I've done wrong :(

Not looking forward to this. :nervous::nervous::nervous:

Not only did we buy the same kit, but we hold our respective governments in the same regard. When building just about anything--from car to picnic bench, there's always a sense that certain areas could be improved. I think it goes with the territory. I have a friend who takes a coin out and puts a small scratch in every car he buys, just to mentally start treating it like a car and not a piece of porcelain.

I'm looking forward to your pictures from the Stoneleigh show!

[Nigel]

I have a friend who takes a coin out and puts a small scratch in every car he buys, just to mentally start treating it like a car and not a piece of porcelain.

Thankyou. Some times we all need reminding...

[cheapracer]

Love the colours Nigel, very 'factory works' Ford of the 70's, well done.

[Gage]

Hope I'm not repeating myself, but I like the colors as well.

[Nigel]

Just to let anyone who's interested know, I've just updated my build website :thumb2: www.mevsonic7.co.uk still not complete / finished :thumbdown2: but is starting to give a better idea of what is involved in building a Sonic7 :) (well at least what it took me).

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/IMG_6209.jpg

[alljobs]

Nigel... the steering wheel is on the wrong side!!!

[cordycord]

Now that you've had a chance to live with it for a while, what do you think? How do you like the suspension? Do you drive with or without a helmet / face protection?

Thanks for the update!

[cheapracer]

Nigel... the steering wheel is on the wrong side!!!

Really?

[Nigel]

Hi you all, I’ve been a bit quite of late work commitments and all, I’m sure you all no the story. Even though I got the car SVA’d last month it’s taken 3+ weeks to get the car through the DVLA (more officialdom) but I’m pleased to report the car went on the road for the first time on the 28th May 2009 and this being the first weekend saw me set and tweak the suspension on the Saturday followed up with a Sunday 135mile road going test around the welsh mountains, hows that for confidence.

Not saying the cars perfect and now armed with a list of jobs to do, all in all no recovery and a great day was had. I’ll update all in the future on my preferred setting and after market solutions to problems but initial impressions are very positive. What I will warn every prospective owner is the attention the car receives is quite unbelievable. Took the car to the local super market (mall) yesterday , when I returned to the car had people gathered around taking photos with there mobile phones.

One thing I can report is that she’s a little nose light for my taste and its only after fitting the nose fins that I can get some heat in the tyres, its quite surprising how they effect the handling, even at speeds of as low as 40mph, at 60mph you can really feel them make the front wheels dig in to the extent that I’m now rebalancing the geometry, as I’ve now managed to get the back end to give Fun Fun Fun very controllable and progressive.

The weekend here has been especially hot (ambient in the shade up at 30 degrees C) and I’m going to have to focus my attention on this area as I’m loosing power due to excessive engine bay/fuel and intake temperature.

Here’s a pic with mount ‘Snowdon’ in the background (1,085mtrs above sea level)

[cheapracer]

Your car just looks better and better every time I see it, the paint scheme is just brilliant.

I think I may have to do my version of a Sonic next.

[Gage]

I agree. Cool and refreshing like an iced drink on a hot day. That is what your paint scheme reminds me of.

[B-T]

As mentioned above, your choice in the color scheme is a complete winner! Also, are the front wings something that you made up, or do you order them from MEV? Are they adjustable for the angle relative to how much downforce / drag you want? Glad you had fun in the mountains, that is my favorite type of driving. I am going Thursday with my brother to buy a Ginetta from a guy in Minneapolis. We will be driving it to Scottsdale, AZ (1800 miles) in three days. Some people say we are crazy!!!
:)
BT

[Pagester]

the wings are available from MEV

[Nigel]

Well I've done most of the cooling mods now, moved the radiator further forward and into a more vertical position, increased the venting on the engine bay and even introduced an underbelly air scoop :clap: so i now need to wait for some good weather to check out if the mods have worked.

In the mean time i have been turning my attention to the cars handling / geometry and have today put it on a lazier alignment bed to see where it lies :thumbdown2: Its all over the place the rear camber and toe angles are apposing with a thrust angle of -0.35' degrees. The only thing thats pretty close is the caster angle, anyway it gives me a good starting point to work from.

I'm quite surprised how well it handled considering :run:

[cordycord]

Nigel,

Hate to say it, but I ran into some of the same dimensional "quirks" on Friday. Some quick measurements gave us the following:

--left rear caster toe out 1/8" (non-adjustable)
--right rear caster toe in 1/8" (non-adjustable)
--engine bay box out of square by 1/4", measured diagonally.

This means that without adjustment, the car would be doing the "crab walk" down the road, and would probably be great at turning left, and spin out when turning right. Ugh.

Because of my engine choice, I'm building my own rear uprights, which turns out to be a good thing. We'll be able to build in some eccentrics at the lower suspension mounts, allowing us to adjust in our desired caster, and adjust out the frame and suspension "irregularities".

[Nigel]

Can anyone help, am trying to decide what would be the best baseline starter settings for the car prior to booking a track day.

Therefore I would be most grateful if anyone could advise on what the basic settings are for the most like vehicles ie Aerial Atom, Lotus Elise (light weight mid engined cars).

In particular I'm after the front and rear camber and toe but would be interested in the front caster angle also.

Many Thanks

Nigel

[golftdibrad]

Can anyone help, am trying to decide what would be the best baseline starter settings for the car prior to booking a track day.

Therefore I would be most grateful if anyone could advise on what the basic settings are for the most like vehicles ie Aerial Atom, Lotus Elise (light weight mid engined cars).

In particular I'm after the front and rear camber and toe but would be interested in the front caster angle also.

Many Thanks

Nigel

I would start with between 1.5 to 2.5 deg negative camber in the rear. In the front a little less than in the rear by about .5 deg. Toe is not adjustable, but id be damn sure that it is not toed out. In the front run as much caster as you can keeping it even from side to side. Run some toe in, just enough to ensure that it will not shit to toe out due to bump steer. That is where I'd start.

[cordycord]

Given the weight bias, the tire pressure and the SLA nature of the suspension, I'd go conservative at first; -1 degree front and rear, and zero toe for autocross. It may be possible to adjust toe with the steering extension piece that is included with the kit--not sure though.

You've got seat time in this car--I don't. It's my guesstimate that once you initiate turn in, the car settles in and you need to back off on the steering input. You may have to just steer the first part of the corner and the car swoops around and finishes it for you, right? If so, that's the slip angle from the rear tires that you'll need to take into account. Either way, I'd love to hear your view of the car's handling.

[cheapracer]

Can anyone help, am trying to decide what would be the best baseline starter settings for the car prior to booking a track day.

Therefore I would be most grateful if anyone could advise on what the basic settings are for the most like vehicles ie Aerial Atom, Lotus Elise (light weight mid engined cars).

In particular I'm after the front and rear camber and toe but would be interested in the front caster angle also.

Many Thanks

Nigel

Although I'm not sure of the density of the bushings that you are using on the arm bushings, I would suggest 1.5 degrees of camber front and rear, 1mm toe in front and rear and around 4 to 5 degrees of caster will get you on your way. Simple to say but I am unaware of your KPI and camber gain.

Try to avoid zero toe as it may give you sign changes under braking which will upset the car - you may have your left front give 2mm toe out and your right front give 2mm toe in which would steer the car to the left for example.

[Nigel]

Many thanks for the comments, now I've got the weekends Newark show out the way i can concentrate on getting the handling sorted. Not going to post all the pic's up here again but if you click on the link below you can see what we all got up to.

On the MEV Stand @ Newark 2009 :- http://forum.allcarclub.co.uk/index.cgi?board=showsetc&action=display&thread=1064&page=1

[cheapracer]

..and in the background you see MEV's main production facility - just add sugar and spice and everything nice and down the slide they come out.

[golftdibrad]

Many thanks for the comments, now I've got the weekends Newark show out the way i can concentrate on getting the handling sorted. Not going to post all the pic's up here again but if you click on the link below you can see what we all got up to.

On the MEV Stand @ Newark 2009 :- http://forum.allcarclub.co.uk/index.cgi?board=showsetc&action=display&thread=1064&page=1

you have set a challenge.

since everything is bigger in america.... I will make it happen. :coolnana:

[Nigel]

Sorry for being so quite but have had my rear suspension modified to incorporate Toe adjustment. :)

Now thats fitted I hope to start to experiment a little this weekend. :thumb2:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Modifications/IMG_6846.jpg

Original Rear Lower Bones

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Modifications/IMG_6848.jpg

New Rear Lower Bones

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Modifications/IMG_6855.jpg

Ready for road Testing

[cordycord]

I'm having Stuart do the same thing to my lower a-arms now. However, I'm concerned about potential bind with more aggressive toe changes. Rose joints (spherical bearings, heim joints) may be in order.

[golftdibrad]

That is a pretty graceful solution. I'm anxious to see how it works out.

If this is a problem for me, I'll go with this if your results are good. If not... I'll do it the hard way and use slotted brackets on the frame with eccentrics a-la miata.

I measured the 'box in the rear of my car after cord had issues and as far as i can tell its square. 4 wheel alignments have a nasty tendency to exploit tolerances though.

[Nigel]

I'm having Stuart do the same thing to my lower a-arms now. However, I'm concerned about potential bind with more aggressive toe changes. Rose joints (spherical bearings, heim joints) may be in order.


Why do you envisage using aggressive toe angles ?

My Planned 'Start' settings will be as follows:-

F. per Side

0.10 deg Toe in
8.75 deg Caster
-1.0 deg Camber

R. per Side

0.2 deg Toe in
-2.0 deg Camber

I know i'll get them 'cheepracer' , but comments please

[cordycord]

In order to get camber, you are making use of the "slop" in the bushings and other suspension bits. As the suspension receives input, additional stresses are introduced. I think it may be quite easy to get bind as you drive along. I won't know until I get in the car myself. A spherical bearing (at all points) removes this issue.

edit--I don't think that the bind is something you'd necessarily notice when driving, but would reveal itself in worn out (or worse) bushings.

[Nigel]

All its done is rain today so no testing :thumbdown2:

Testing now scheduled for tomorrow :) I hope

Where are you 'Cheapracer' input on planned settings please

[Nigel]

In order to get camber, you are making use of the "slop" in the bushings and other suspension bits. As the suspension receives input, additional stresses are introduced. I think it may be quite easy to get bind as you drive along. I won't know until I get in the car myself. A spherical bearing (at all points) removes this issue.

Interesting, can't fault your logic, but I just know I'm not that good a driver to find the difference. What I do know is that if I was going for an out and out track racer I'd be using different tyres like R888, 175 to 195 on 15" light weight rims, so for me with style wheels and tyres the handling performance is always going to be a compromise.

[cheapracer]

Why do you envisage using aggressive toe angles ?

My Planned 'Start' settings will be as follows:-

F. per Side

0.10 deg Toe in
8.75 deg Caster
-1.0 deg Camber

R. per Side

0.2 deg Toe in
-2.0 deg Camber

I know i'll get them 'cheepracer' , but comments please

The problem is I am not aware of your camber gains and KPI origins give me some basic pivot point plots and arm lengths and I'll run it through some software.

What are the bushes, standard'ish suspension type black neoprene? If so I wouldn't worry about binding, they are designed to work in 3 planes. You won't get so much binding anyway, your adjusters are around 1mm threads, about halfway from center to outer tread so you will only need to move them 1/2 turn to get a 1mm gain in toe - so you can see that distance won't create a bind issue worth worrying about.

[Nigel]

Hi all sorry for being so quite, Just been out and about enjoying the little bit of good summer weather we get.

After coming back from the family vacation I got the urge to do a show, bit of an impulse one, so 462.4 Miles in 24 hrs round trip, sometimes I think I must be mad but a great day was had. :spin:

The Rose between two Thorn's :D

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/Milton%20Keynes%202009%20Car%20Show/IMG_0147.jpg

Brad weave developed a new game of power lifting :coolnana:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/Milton%20Keynes%202009%20Car%20Show/IMG_0170.jpg

I just do it on my own :coolnana: (Not :old:)

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/Milton%20Keynes%202009%20Car%20Show/IMG_0169.jpg

Got a big show on the 19th ~ 20th September pretty much last one of the year. Will update again after that show.

[Karlo]

Nigel you drove your Sonic 400 + miles <24 to the show and back. That's impressive, all with no rain?

[africanstyle]

Nigel, I would love to known where you got those headlights. Please share.:thumb2:

[Nigel]

Karlo:-

I'd like to say it was a glorious weekend but there was a little shower on the way home but it was only the last 10miles or so so it wasn't bad. :)

africanstyle:-

The Lights are Photons, projector lamps with led strips beneath. :cool3:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Modifications/IMG_0016.jpg

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Modifications/IMG_0014.jpg

[africanstyle]

Thanks Nigel. I just haven't had enough time to look up any info on them.

[africanstyle]

Sorry, but one last thing. Where exactly did you get them from. I'm going to try eBay otherwise I could use a website or dealer name... Thanks!

[Gage]

I love those lights. Thanks for sharing.

[cordycord]

Very tricky light setup Nigel. I suspect that MEV may have a line on the Photons. The manufacturer of the Photon's are supposed to be making a hi/lo setup using a single housing as well. ETA unknown.

[golftdibrad]

Nice pics!

[Nigel]

Here's a little video of my first track day with the Sonic, :spin: still got lots to sort out :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfNxM0dSRVE

Pic's of Sonic on the Track :thumb2:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/Llandow%20Circuit%202009/IMG_1351.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/Llandow%20Circuit%202009/IMG_1341.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/Llandow%20Circuit%202009/IMG_1336.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/Llandow%20Circuit%202009/IMG_1145.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/Llandow%20Circuit%202009/IMG_1084.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/Llandow%20Circuit%202009/IMG_1078.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/Llandow%20Circuit%202009/IMG_1036.jpg

[cordycord]

LOVE the pics!! More please!

BTW, how's the handling now?

[Nigel]

LOVE the pics!! More please!

BTW, how's the handling now?


Handling !!!!!!!!!!!! :spin:

I don't normally do this but ill give you a sneak preview of an extract from my current 'draft' Track Day Writeup that I intend to post on my website in the near future :thumb2:

............. meant that I genuinely felt my circuit times were improving, although I felt I was still nowhere near the capabilities of the car and being held back not only by my own inability's as a driver but also my reluctance to push to hard and risk damaging my beloved Sonic, it was my ride home remember.

I had anticipated being faced with a reluctance to push hard, and discussed the issue with Stuart Mills of letting a more experienced driver loose in the car in order that I may truly appreciate the cars ability's. Stuart had suggested that I might consider offering Adam Wilkins – Features Editor for CKC magazine the opportunity. Adam has not only extensive experience in track day events but races a Tiger Avon in the Tiger Challenge series, and was there with his own built Sylva Riot. Having made my mind up I asked Adam if he would like to take the car out, and although he seemed somewhat shocked at my generosity, he was not about to let the opportunity to test drive a Sonic on the track pass him by.

While I had planned for Adam to take the car out on his own and ask him afterwards what he thought, when he offered to take me as a passenger I jumped at the chance, 'maybe I could make sure he wouldn't hurt my baby'. Although I had butterfly's of apprehension throughout the 6 or 7 ever quickening laps, it was without doubt the right decision, even with my brake problem, the extra 100+kg of a passenger and the lack of a quick rack - so helpful for the bus stop section. Adams controlled ability to make the Sonic, a car he had never driven before, dance around the circuit using every inch of available track, easily controlling the rear's power slide through the tight twisty section, and the gusto by which he attacked the cir cane dancing the car of the curbs, .........................

[cordycord]

After a day on the track, how do you feel about the fiberglass seats? Sore? Sliding? Do you plan to change, or add padding anywhere?

[Nigel]

After a day on the track, how do you feel about the fiberglass seats? Sore? Sliding? Do you plan to change, or add padding anywhere?

After some initials reservations I am beginning to favor the seats however this winter they will be removed as with many other aspects of the car and modified. The seats are a little to flexy for my 100kg frame and I intend to add some padding that I will have made. I'm currently experimenting using 1/2in ~ 3/4in soft foam seat pads from some garden furniture in order to find the right thickness and layout. :thumb2:

[Nigel]

Well got my ugly mug and a couple of nice pic's of the car in this months issue of www.completekitcar.co.uk :D [see attached CKC write up ]

( Will provide link when I get .pdf privileges )

Have also updated my website and included the write up on my first track day experience with the Sonic :thumb2: [just click on the link below]

http://www.mevsonic7.co.uk/TrackDay%20Llandow%202009.html (http://www.mevsonic7.co.uk/TrackDay%20Llandow%202009.html)

[Nigel]

Well its almost the end of the good weather, possibly one more show at the end of November to do and then the car goes into the garage for the winter update :thumb2: Not quite finalized what's going to be done, but its all coming apart :( Just hope i can remember how to put it back together again. :D

[Nigel]

I must be mad :(

One week before a show and with all the bad weather here in the UK, I got the itch and pulled the car to bits :run:

So its all hands to the pumps, burn the midnight oil and get the car ready for the last show of the year :spin:

I know I'm a but mad but if the weathers not good I'm not going :thumbdown2: as I don't fancy a 500+ mile round trip in the rain.

Going to bed now. Early start in the morning to face this :awais:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Build%20Fun/IMG_0235.jpg

and this

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Build%20Fun/IMG_0234.jpg

O why O why did I start this now "pain"

[Karlo]

Are you adding some extra lights or ?

[Nigel]

Are you adding some extra lights or ?

You could say that Karlo :) How about a complete New Dash :thumb2:

Check the little video out :clap:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Build%20Fun/th_NewDashTest01.jpg (http://s177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Build%20Fun/?action=view&current=NewDashTest01.flv)

[golftdibrad]

COOL.

your steering wheel is HOT! where did you get it?

[Nigel]

COOL.

your steering wheel is HOT! where did you get it?

Off Ebay called a 'Momo Millenium Evo' :D

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MOMO-Millenium-Evo-Black-Leather-Steering-Wheel-320mm_W0QQitemZ130344594425QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_C arsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item1e5924abf9

[golftdibrad]

Off Ebay called a 'Momo Millenium Evo' :D

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MOMO-Millenium-Evo-Black-Leather-Steering-Wheel-320mm_W0QQitemZ130344594425QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_C arsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item1e5924abf9


:omg: not sure I like it $300 worth.

[Nigel]

:omg: not sure I like it $300 worth.

I didn't like the price either, :( so I'll come clean mines a copy, real leather but cost under $80 :thumb2:

nigel

[golftdibrad]

I didn't like the price either, :( so I'll come clean mines a copy, real leather but cost under $80 :thumb2:

nigel

haha! I can deal with 80 bucks :D

[Nigel]

Hi All,

Well its been a while since I’ve posted anything on here, but it’s a whole new year, and the sun is shinning today so its time to unwrap the car and start a long and intensive month of overdue modifications before buying another 6months of road tax and doing some serious driving. :coolnana:

I see Cord you’ve now got two baby’s on the go at the same time, what a glutton for punishment you are. :eek:

Brad how’s your Rocket coming on ? Assuming you’ve found some time this winter for building you should be nearing completion, can’t imagine what it’s going to go like with all that power, would frighten the life out of me. Mind you, you Americans always go for extreme power plants. :run:

Cheapracer what’s happening with you Exo project ? That surly must be nearing completion by now.


Anyway My News:- :D

To support the increasing number of owners, over the winter break a new MEVOwners website & forum ( www.mevowners.co.uk ) was launched for owners to keep in touch and share experiences.

I’ve got my first show booked, first weekend in May (May bank holiday weekend) at Stoneleigh and a track day set for the 15th May at Llandow circuit in south Wales. I’ve also arranged / booked a small sprint circuit at Curborough for the day at the end of July and will be using the facility to hold the 1st Annual Mogger’s Meet. So there’s lots happening this side of the pond and I hopping there’ll be lots of photos / videos appearing for you lot to enjoy.

Looking forward to seeing pictures and videos of your cars on the road this year.

nigel :wave:

[golftdibrad]

Brad how’s your Rocket coming on ? Assuming you’ve found some time this winter for building you should be nearing completion, can’t imagine what it’s going to go like with all that power, would frighten the life out of me. Mind you, you Americans always go for extreme power plants. :run:



Well its not going as well as i'd like, but its coming along. An unusually cold winter didnt motivate me to get in the garage and work on it. I also had some work to do on ther other cars and just finished a 24 hours of lemons race. Yesterday i cleaned the garage....so i can move in there again I'll be back to it next week. I just have to pipe everything and i'm done...

[cordycord]

Hi All,

I see Cord you’ve now got two baby’s on the go at the same time, what a glutton for punishment you are. :eek:

Anyway My News:- :D

I’ve got my first show booked, first weekend in May (May bank holiday weekend) at Stoneleigh and a track day set for the 15th May at Llandow circuit in south Wales.

Looking forward to seeing pictures and videos of your cars on the road this year.

nigel :wave:

Two babies--more like two monsters who eat my free time and my free thoughts. I also happen to have two real babies--2 and 4 year old kiddies who deserve more of my time than I've been giving...

Nigel, I'm looking forward to seeing more pictures, and to see what you've got planned for your Super Sonic. BTW, do you have any handling/suspension tweaking plans? I happen to know for a fact that Stuart has a quick steering rack sitting in his shop--it needs a new home. :)

[Nigel]

Great to here from you lot :)

Been having lots of fun in the garage over the winter, cars still in bits :( plan to have on the road by the beginning of next month. :)

Quick Rack done :thumb2:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Modifications/Build008.jpg

Lots of other mods over the winter will post up in the near future :thumb2:

As you might know Cord I decided to install the original dials, although not fully finished I though you might like to see the fiberglass pod I made up for the job.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Modifications/Radiators010.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Modifications/Radiators017.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/MEV%20Sonic%207/Modifications/Radiators019.jpg

Looking forward to getting behind the wheel again.

nigel :wave:

[acrtl1000s]

Hmmm... That looks like the dash in my focus... Amazing fiberglass work.

[cheapracer]

That blue is awesome Nigel, if I didn't ask before is that FoMoCo blue?

[Nigel]

Thanks for the kind comments guys :) and yes it is a Focus Dash mind you it would make sense since the engine, ECU, Fuel Pump, Steering Column, switches......... etc all came out of a Ford Focus :spin:

The Blue Colour (English spelling) is 'RAL 5002 - Ultramarine Blue' and it looks even better against the white in natural sunlight :coolnana:

Thought I'd share this picture / advert with you, it came out in the April issue of the UK's leading Kit Car magazine :spin: (Thats me driving - 'I'm famous at last')

http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad345/MEVOwners/MEV%20Press%20Articles/CKCAD2.png

nigel

[golftdibrad]

^^^ Nice Nigel!

[Nigel]

^^^ Nice Nigel!

Hi Brad,

Not seen any posts from you lately on the car ?

Not here, not on Locostusa.com or on the official www.mevowners.co.uk forum.

Hows it going ? have you got that beast of an engine running yet ?

Between you and Cord you've got more Power than the rest of us put together and I'm dying to know how you both are getting on.

nigel

[golftdibrad]

Hi Brad,

Not seen any posts from you lately on the car ?

Not here, not on Locostusa.com or on the official www.mevowners.co.uk forum.

Hows it going ? have you got that beast of an engine running yet ?

Between you and Cord you've got more Power than the rest of us put together and I'm dying to know how you both are getting on.

nigel


Dude, not much to say. Been super busy with everything but the car. Gonna get cracking again this week though.

[cordycord]

Very clean gauge pod Nigel. :)

[Gage]

I agree. That gauge pod is a work of art.

[Nigel]

Hi guys :spin:

Just recovering from yesterdays track-day Sonic7 goes head to head with Rocket :D

Thought I'd post a couple of pics :thumb2:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/Llandow%20Circuit%202010/On%20the%20Track/20100515-SBK_2900.jpg

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/NigelP21/Llandow%20Circuit%202010/On%20the%20Track/20100515-SBK_2721.jpg

No clear winner this time :( But a great day :thumb2:

nigel

[cordycord]

Wings!!!!!!

[Nigel]

Wings!!!!!!

Have you not got the up grade 'aero' package ? :coolnana:

nigel

[cordycord]

Have you not got the up grade 'aero' package ? :coolnana:

nigel

Had no idea one was available--not on the MEV site. Looks great on the Sonic, though. How is the handling now, and did you do to new coilovers as well?

[golftdibrad]

Sweet pics!

You guys need better tires, guys in locost and kit cars here run full DOT (dept of transportation approved) racing tires on the street here. Cars are so light they last a year or two. I mean, who wants to drive on tires that are more than a few years old anyway?

http://toyotires.com/tire/pattern/proxes-ra1

these seem to be a popular choice. They are a spec tire for a few pro series here so take offs might be super cheap too.

[Nigel]

Sweet pics!

You guys need better tires, guys in locost and kit cars here run full DOT (dept of transportation approved) racing tires on the street here. Cars are so light they last a year or two. I mean, who wants to drive on tires that are more than a few years old anyway?

http://toyotires.com/tire/pattern/proxes-ra1

these seem to be a popular choice. They are a spec tire for a few pro series here so take offs might be super cheap too.


The majority of track people here run R888's but thats OK if your trailering your car, but with the weather in Wales you don't want to be court out in a thunderstorm in 888's. Plus in 17in there $240 a wheel, was going to go with Toyo R1-R's but not available in 205/40r17's so opted for T1-R's at $105 a wheel good all rounder.

If I get more serious might get myself a set on 15in rims shod with 888's just for the track.

nigel

[Nigel]

Had no idea one was available--not on the MEV site. Looks great on the Sonic, though. How is the handling now, and did you do to new coilovers as well?

Sorry Cord just jesting :D - The story behind my rear wing is that as a young man having just passed my driving test, dad wouldn't let me have a big wing on my Ford Capri, so now I'm my own boss I'm going to have one.

I sold my MEV front fins and made a pair to match, total cost to buy/modify/make both front and rear approx $150 (ebay helped).

Handling is vastly better now, very predictable, controllable and progressive possibly little too much rear body role for my taste and will be addressing that issue in the future.

I will be releasing an article on my settings / experiences so far soon.

nigel