Chadillac's Superlite Roadster

[Chadillac]

Only a few more weeks until the car arrives! I thought I would write down what my intentions for the car are first, and then once the car arrives document my build. The car will mostly be driven on the street with a few open track days and auto-x's scattered throughout the summer.

I ordered the base kit with only two options.

Double adjustable shocks. I won't be racing this car too often, but I thought it would be fun to play with and probably hard to upgrade later.

Removable roll-bar. I will need this to even get on most race tracks or auto-X events.

I will probably also order the windshield once that is available. In Idaho a windshield is not required but it will be nice for when I drive on the freeway.

[Chadillac]

For tires I chose Nitto NT-01's. I have used these tires before and liked them a lot. They provide a lot of grip when it's dry out. They aren't very good in the rain, but I'm not planning on driving the SL-R in the rain very often anyways. I'm hoping they last longer on the SL-R than my other car. These tires also tend to pick up and throw a lot of rocks when they're warmed up. I'm hoping the fenders work really well.

These I found at discounttiredirect.com for 175/tire in the rear and 165/tire for the front. These included free shipping. They were shipped to Fran less than 24 hours of when I ordered them. I was quite impressed.

[Chadillac]

For the engine I chose to go with the DC5 K20A. For me this engine has everything I want. It's reliable, relatively flat torque curve, and I can rev the crap out of it. I originally was going to go with the K20A2 for cost reasons however with the K20A I get an LSD and don't have to buy K-Pro to get the engine started.

This I bought at hmotorsonline.com with the optional shifter cables and box for a total of $5899 shipped to Fran. I was a little worried about the mounts because there are so many variations of the K20 motor so I sent the motor to Fran. He was more than happy for me to send the engine to him.

[Karlo]

Chad

I was hoping you start you own build thread. :thumb2:

Being the closest Superlite Roadster to me you will be getting a visit from me this summer. :nod:

[Chadillac]

Anytime Karlo. Our house is open to any of the Superlite gang.

[Degeneerit]

Great choice with the tires. How long did they last on your other car? Just curious why everyone is sending their parts to fran. Is he assembling the car for you?

[Karlo]

For the engine I chose to go with the DC5 K20A. however with the K20A I get an LSD and don't have to buy K-Pro to get the engine started.


Chad

Can you explain why no K-Pro?

[Craig – Absolute PACE]

This is looking to be an absolute weapon on tires like that.

Can I ask what year is the engine?

[Chadillac]

From what I understand, the american K20 engines have an immobilizer built into the ECU. In order to overide the immobilizer you need something like K-Pro. However, the japanese K20A does not have this immobilizer thus no need for K-Pro.

I don't know what year the engine is or the mileage. hmotorsonline does do a compression check and a leak down test and gaurantees all the sensors. I've never heard anything bad about this place and a lot of honda guys have recommended it.

[Karlo]

Can I ask what year is the engine?

Good to know on the K-pro, thanks.

K20a
2001-2006 Honda Integra Type-R (DC5) not USA
Displacement: 1998 cc
Compression: 11.5:1
Power: 217 bhp (220 PS, 162 kW) @ 8000 rpm
Torque: 152 ft·lbf (206 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
Redline: 8500 rpm

[aloysius]

...Just curious why everyone is sending their parts to fran. Is he assembling the car for you?

Does anyone know the answers to these questions? Is it necessary to have the RCR factory install the engine? Is the engine and transmission mounted solid to the frame ala Atom or does it have some shock mounts? Is there some standardization or is each car customized to fit the engine package? From what I can determine, the K-series engines all have the same mounting points and the typical X2M5 transmissions do too.

[Karlo]

For the engine I chose to go with the DC5 K20A. I was a little worried about the mounts because there are so many variations of the K20 motor so I sent the motor to Fran. He was more than happy for me to send the engine to him.


All the information Fran and I have gotten is that all K series engine / trans are very similar in mounts. Being one of the early pioneers of the Superlite Roadster, reassurance is good. :thumb2: .

Thanks Chad for helping!!

[Gage]

hmotorsonline I've never heard anything bad about this place and a lot of honda guys have recommended it.

For the record, I've only heard great things about hmotorsonline as well.


On assembling the SL-R's.. My understanding was that after Fran had a template for a given engine, that one could simply order the kit and install the engine at home yourself. Someone correct me if that is wrong.

Up until very recently RCR has needed engines shipped to them to fit Chassi to them.

[Karlo]

On assembling the SL-R's.. My understanding was that after Fran had a template for a given engine, that one could simply order the kit and install the engine at home yourself. Someone correct me if that is wrong.

Up until very recently RCR has needed engines shipped to them to fit Chassi to them.


Yep Yep

[B-T]

Fran has some engines shipped directly to him to verify the mounting points for him to provide for future customers with the same model engine. The assembly that Fran does is helpful for shipping also!
;)
BT

[Chadillac]

As far as I know the only thing that Fran is doing is mounting the tires on the rims and bolting the engine into the mounts to make sure it fits. The stuff I'm trying to work out is how I'm going to hook up the fuel pump, exhaust and intake among other things. I've found a few places that do custom carbon fiber work and will try and find out how much a custom CF intake will be. For the exhaust I was just going to take 2.5" stainless steel tubing and bend it and attach a muffler.

My experiences so far with all of the companies I've worked with have been very good. The guys from hmotorsonline know their stuff and will be able to answer all you honda engine questions. Working with Fran has been awesome. It's pretty rare to get to talk to the owner of the company that's making your car. If any of you have any doubts I highly recommend calling either Fran or Karlo.

[Craig – Absolute PACE]

Thanks Karlo & Chadillac for the info, much appreciated.

[StatGSR]

hey i guess i have been wondering about this for a while now, what are people doing for axles??

[Chadillac]

I thought I heard some where that Fran was providing the axles. Anybody know anything about this?

If not, then I guess I might have to modify the stock axles. I'm guessing the stock axles will need to be shortened. Anybody shorten axles before?

[Gage]

I thought I heard some where that Fran was providing the axles. Anybody know anything about this?

If not, then I guess I might have to modify the stock axles. I'm guessing the stock axles will need to be shortened. Anybody shorten axles before?

Yes, when I visited RCR Fran told me he can provide axles. He already has a fabrications process set up to create them... VERY strong units.

[B-T]

I think I also read that Fran would provide the axles.
Chad, looking forward to seeing your project progress!
BT

[Craig – Absolute PACE]

Axles are provided in the kit to suit any of the standard engine options: Honda K20A, Dodge SRT-4, Mitsubishi 4G63, Ecotec.

So if you use a standard engine you get axles included. If you want to fit your own engine, you need to provide your own axles as well.

[Chadillac]

That's good to hear. Now maybe I can get a few bucks back by selling the stock axles and shifter box.

[Chadillac]

My engine was delivered to RCR this morning!!!

[B-T]

Nice! What date do you hope to have the car registered on the road?
BT

[Gage]

Ah yes, registration for the road. It was quick but nerve wracking when we registered our Atom.

[Chadillac]

I'm hoping to be registered sometime in May. I guess it depends on how long the exhuast takes, registration and anything else that pops up.

[Chadillac]

Just got a call from Fran! My car is being picked up at 2:00 this afternoon!

[Conquest351]

AWESOME!!! Bet you can't wait!!! Do I need to stress the importance of pictures????

[B-T]

That's great! I talked to your trucker yesterday and he said he would be picking it up today sometime. Exciting stuff!
:D
BT

[Chadillac]

I will definitely be taking a lot of pictures along with my first impressions as soon as the car arrives. I've been extremely busy at work this week, but will try and contact the shipping company ASAP to find out when they expect the car to arrive. My plan is to try and get the car running in a couple of weeks. I'm going to worry about all the 'street legal' stuff later. I live on the edge of town and I've been scouting out some country roads the last couple of days to see if there are any safe spots to give a good test drive. I figure if the cops will let 4-wheelers, tractors and cows to use these roads, they wouldn't mind me in my "go-kart."

[Chadillac]

Talked to Rich Lacey from Rich's Classic Transport, he told me they were extremely busy today so they were not able to pick up the car. He will be picking it up first thing tomorrow. Best estimates for arrival were Monday night or Tuesday.

[soon_2b_evil]

oh yeha! we cant wait for some pictures.

[Chadillac]

Rich called me and told me it's on its way. He did mention that the engine was in a box!?! I thought Fran was going to be bolting in the engine, but I guess not. That just means I'll have to borrow someone's cherry picker so I can put it in myself.

[Conquest351]

Rich called me and told me it's on its way. He did mention that the engine was in a box!?! I thought Fran was going to be bolting in the engine, but I guess not. That just means I'll have to borrow someone's cherry picker so I can put it in myself.

Or a couple of strong friends who will work for beer. After the engine's installed of course. LOL

[Craig – Absolute PACE]

Chad, looks like you will be tackling this by yourself as BT will be away for the next month.

We will try to help where we can. Our SL-R build should start progressing next week in a meaningful way.

[Chadillac]

Thanks Craig. I'll need all the help I can get. It is going to be so hard to focus at work from now on with a Superlite Roadster in my garage, begging me to come home and work on her. Hopefully my wife will be willing to have dinner in the garage for a couple nights next week.

[Karlo]

Thanks Craig. I'll need all the help I can get. It is going to be so hard to focus at work from now on with a Superlite Roadster in my garage, begging me to come home and work on her. Hopefully my wife will be willing to have dinner in the garage for a couple nights next week.

Dinner and the bed in the garage :thumb2:

[soon_2b_evil]

this is goin to be great! cant wait to see pictures also yeah i dont think it should be a problem driving your go-kart around town! lol

[B-T]

The first delivered SL-R in the US should bew happening shortly!!! This is exciting.
Chad, did Fran give you a shipping list to verify the delivery of loose parts that were loaded on the truck?
Rich sounds like a pretty organized shipper, but I would feel better knowing what I am supposed to get. When I got my car lift delivered the stand for the pump was sitting on the loading dock loose. If I had not noticed it I am sure I would have spent a few hours on the phone chasing a new one down, and waiting a few weeks for delivery of the replacement part.

[Chadillac]

No, I haven't received any kind of list from Fran. Rich's brother Doug is delivering the car in 2-3 hours so I doubt I'll have a parts list by then. I think he's only got 2-3 cars in his truck right now so hopefully we won't miss anything.

Last night I was in bed for about 8 hours, but I think I only slept for about 2 of those. I am so excited!

[Karlo]

Are you going to take a long lunch to help with delivery?

[Chadillac]

Yes, a very long lunch. I came in to work about an hour and a half early (couldn't sleep anyways) so I could take a long lunch and hopefully go home early too. My father-in-law is also coming to help unload it off the truck. I live in a cul-de-sac so we're going to have to push the car and the engine on a dolly for about a block.

[Conquest351]

Nice!! Wish I lived close, I'd come help. LOL

[Chadillac]

The car has finally arrived!!! All I can say is WOW! Sadly, I was only able to go through things and look (more like drool) over the car for about 30 minutes before I had to come back to work. Overall, I was very impressed with the quality and really love the black body with the red seats. I took lots of pictures of the delivery and will be taking more pictures tonight once the batteries recharge.

Rich's Classic Transport delivered the car and they were AWESOME! I would highly recommend these guys for delivering.

Hopefully Fran puts together a parts list soon because I can tell I'm missing a lot of parts. Off the top of my head there were no: seatbelts, removable roll bar, bars that attach to hoops, brake callipers, radiators, gas pedal, brake fluid reservoir, any lights, parking brake and probably a lot more... I'm guessing that Fran just did not send them because my car is not as put together as BT's when Karlo and Aloysius visited RCR. I guess I really have my work cut out for me.

[B-T]

Congrats! :D Glad the car and engine / trans arrived safely. I bet you can't wait to start working on it. It will be interesting to see how the balance of the parts are delivered. It seems like it would have just been easier to put the removeable roll bar on the car and put the two hoops on the seat, but hey those are details!!! It looks like the message got through that you want to work on the car while the smaller items are still being sourced. Can't wait to see the pictures, I bet it looks great with the all black / red seats! :clap:

I wish my truck driver was as quick with the delivery as Rich was with yours. My car is scheduled to take 10 days longer than yours did on the truck. It doesn't really matter since I will not be able to work on it until late July.:run:
BT

[Chadillac]

Here are some pictures from the delivery. We've spent most of the night just having neighbors come over and check it out. Everybody thinks it's pretty cool and I've got a lot of comments that "this should be really easy to put together." I never realized I lived near so many competent car builders. According to them I should be able to bust this out in a week.

Fran e-mailed me back and told me that a box was left behind from delivery. I hope it's a REALLY big box. There really isn't much I can do besides attach the fenders and the front spoiler. I think the mounts that were delivered are from an RSX and not the custom ones Fran built.

[Degeneerit]

Great choice with the NT01s I bet you will be able to pull close to 3g's on the skidpad with those.

[Karlo]

Chad
I like the Red and Black contrast you have going :vtec:

[aloysius]

Chad, Congratulations! Seeing one of these SLRs in a garage gives us all pangs of envy. Ol' Fran is going to get inundated with orders. I think he's getting ready.

Some questions:
What does the tank have for openings?
Does the steering have spools that limit the travel?
Are there spacers under the rotors?
Do they make child seats for these red buckets?
and a hundred more

[B-T]

I like the color scheme! Are there only two lug nuts holding each wheel on for now? I will be checking this thread while I am out of town to see the progress, please keep us updated!
Hopefully my "box of parts" made it onto the truck that is supposed to deliver my car on Saturday. Again, congrats!!!
:D
BT

[Chadillac]

Some questions:
What does the tank have for openings?
Does the steering have spools that limit the travel?
Are there spacers under the rotors?
Do they make child seats for these red buckets?
and a hundred more

The tank has three small openings on the passenger side and about a 2" threaded opening on the drivers side. I'll take pictures of it tonight.

Right now there is nothing limiting steering travel. It looks like a turning radius of about 5 feet.

There is a couple of mm between the rotor and everything else. It's pretty close but you could probably fit a couple credit cards inbetween.

It's pretty funny when I put my kid in the bucket seats. He just slides right out of them.

Also, there is a small hole in the bottom of the drivers side seat. This hole goes through the seat and then through the floor. I'm wondering if this is for draining water but it's not on the passenger side. I figure it's a good idea so you're not sitting in about 4" of water when it rains.

[Chadillac]

There are only 2 lug nuts holding on each wheel. I'm going to have to pick up some more tonight.

[Pagester]

very nice! I don't know if I'm more jealous of the SL-R or the virtually empty garage!

[Chadillac]

Thanks! Last weekend I cleaned out our garage (I had to do something to distract myself while waiting for the car) and both of the cars are parked in the driveway. If I took pictures of our unfinished basement where I put most of our storage/junk you wouldn't be so jealous.

[Pagester]

ah - i fondly remember basements! I figured I'd be good with a 3-car garage - got three cars, got three places to put them. Um no, 1 car is in the garage and the others are outside - but at least its the racecar thats inside :spin:

Karlo - new contest opportunity! The Chadillac Build Pool - pick the date of the first drive!

[B-T]

I'll guess September 3rd (that about 9 weeks)...
I'm hoping I can get my car on the road by that time also.
Yeah, these places with no basement make you store everything in the garage. We built a 4 car originally and kept 3 cars in it. Then I added a 1 car to put tools and some other stuff. Then I added a 6+ car garage that I can keep all my stuff in, so the original garage is only holding 1 car and a go kart, my garage will have 5 in it when the SL-R arrives, and the back garage is still full of tools and hurricane panels. If I had a basement I would be even more of a pack rat!
BT

[Chadillac]

Holy garage space BT! Are you going for a Jay Leno size car collection?

I think we should do a contest to see who can have the first drivable car. Are BT and Craig up for it? I don't know what the prize would be; I don't want it to do anything with money because I've already spent enough on this car. Maybe the prize will just be praise from your fellow forum members.

[Pagester]

First one to post a video of their car driving wins!

Karlo can hook the winner up with a special tag under their screen name.

Bill is my new garage hero! :coolnana:

[Karlo]

Karlo can hook the winner up with a special tag under their screen name.


I like that Idea, "First Running Superlite Roadster"

[B-T]

Okay. I'll give you guys two advantages. A month head start on the build, and I'm handicapped by the drive by wire deal. If I can get mine running sometime close to you I'll be happy.
No video with human sound effects, or green screen backgrounds imitating movement.
:)
BT

[Conquest351]

No video with human sound effects, or green screen backgrounds imitating movement.
:)
BT

Bwahahahahaha!!!! That would be great!! Green screen the movement and then someone messes with it and you're flying through the air or underwater or something like that. LOL That'd be great!!

[Pagester]

LOL - grab a still shot sitting in driver seat and splice in some of my race video and I'll beat you all!!!

:D

[soon_2b_evil]

damn that hots! can you get a picture of it without the shell on? im so so jelious!

[Chadillac]

Sure. I had the shell off a couple times last night so I could attach the pedals and see how the front spoiler attaches. There are only four screws holding it on. Plus there will be two more once the front spoiler is attached. If there is anything else you guys want pictures of let me know.

[soon_2b_evil]

also i was just thinkin. how did u put together so fast?

[Chadillac]

This is actually just how the car comes. The only thing I've done is sat in it and made vroom vroom noises.

[soon_2b_evil]

This is actually just how the car comes. The only thing I've done is sat in it and made vroom vroom noises.

LOL thats great! oh how interesting. could have swore i thought i saw it from the guy from down under and it was on a flatbed and NOTHING was on it. so what excatly do u have to put togehter?

[Chadillac]

I think that was because Craig (the guy from down under) had quite a few orders and Fran decided to send him some frames so he could get started. When he sent the frames to Australia I believe parts were still being developed and stocked.

To finish the car I need to install all the brake stuff, engine, shifter, all electronics, fuel delivery, radiator, ignition, etc... There is no assembly manual so I'm sure there are many more things that I'll add throughout the build.

[Craig – Absolute PACE]

All SL-R kits are provided as a roller. Even in Australia.

The first car we got here was air freighted, so was shipped disassembled to save shipping space. So I can see where the confusion has come in. Sorry guys.

So Chad done any tinkering with it yet? :D

[Chadillac]

I haven't really done anything productive yet, but I have done a lot of tinkering. Mostly just trying to figure out how everything is going to be put together. Here are some more pictures I took tonight. Sorry the gas tank picture are akward but there's not a lot of room to put the camera. The other pictures show the pedals. Fran is sending me the gas pedal so I don't have it yet. From the pictures you can see that it's going to be a really tight fit. The pedals are hanging right now so they're not in the correct position but it will be interesting to see how 3 pedals are going to fit. To the left there is plenty of room. I wish we could adjust them side to side.

[Craig – Absolute PACE]

Chad, the pedals have been pushed over to the left as far as possible to allow for as natural driving position as possible.

I for one prefer the pedals to be directly in front of the driver and not offset.

[B-T]

I don't see how a gas pedal will fit there without hitting the brake pedal when you go to use it. Could be the perspective, but I had the same concern when I saw the picture from Karlo's shop visit.
Anyone have a picture of the pedal area from the Electrolite roadster? Is the pedal mounting the same? I guess something can be fabricated to move the whole assembly over. Let me know the solution!
BT

[Craig – Absolute PACE]

Sorry I don't have any photos of the gas pedal in situ.

[Chadillac]

When my foot is all the way to the right (hitting the bar) it still touches the brake pedal. To me if the pedals were over 2-3 inches it would still feel pretty natural (atleast to me). I've heard of Factory Five guys actually bending the pedals, but for the wilwoods I don't think they would bend very easily. Hopefully the gas pedal gets here soon so I can try and play with it.

Anyways, I'm sure Fran has a solution for this already. After I play with it for hours and get stuck I'll probably just call him and he'll figure it out in 5 minutes.

[Craig – Absolute PACE]

That doesn't sound right. I'll see what I can find out about it.

[aloysius]

...Here are some more pictures I took tonight...

Damn, Chad! You're losing ground. Your last pictures showed your car with a hood.

I talked to Fran about the tank and suggested three large holes in the top. He asked for a picture which I sent. I am planning on placing a pump inside the tank through a hole in the top. Also I plan on installing a level sensor through another hole in the top. The third hole will be the filler tube since I plan on putting gasoline in the tank.

I'm sorry I din't get a picture of the pedals on the Electrolite but I remember there was only a brake and a throttle. I seem to remember there was more space for the throttle but being electric a brake probably doesn't matter. (that was a joke. better say or reap the ranting)

Check your steering at full travel to assure the back of the rims don't rub against the rear suspension. The Electolite didn't rub but BT's did. Fran said it needed bumper spools added to the ends of the steering rack.

What did you order/get for the Digidash? Did it come with all the sensors, like a fuel level sensor? Fran said the tanks will be filled with foam instead of baffles. That would make the swing float sensor problematic.

Keep us informed on your progress and solutions to the problems you run across.

[Craig – Absolute PACE]

The Digidash comes with fuel sender. From memory it was a float arm type.

Yeah, you will need to have a clear area without foam for the fuel sender. I've fitted float arm fuel senders to foam filled tanks and once there is ample clearance to the foam they work fine.

[B-T]

Maybe the gas pedal goes on the left? Fran is from England originally I think, and they do stuff backwards there... (That's a joke)
:D
BT

[Gage]

It looks great!

Congratulations!

Finally it is happening.

[Chadillac]

I've only looked at the DigiDash for a second. I'll have to take a second look at it to check out the fuel level sensor.

After looking at the pedal situation last night and talking with Karlo I think we may have found a fairly easy solution. I'll wait until the gas pedal arrives and talk to Fran about it.

The steering will need bumper spools as the wheel does hit the suspension when turned fully.

I haven't really thought about the gas tank yet. I was just planning on waiting until everything arrives before I try and tackle that.

Last night all I was able to do was get some lug nuts and put them all on. I didn't like have just two lug nuts on each tire when everyone wants to sit in it. I started to attach the front spoiler but then the neighbors saw me working on it and wanted to come over. It's amazing how much attention this car gets. We've actually got to meet a couple of our neighbors that we've never really talked with before.

[aloysius]

...wait until the gas pedal arrives and talk to Fran about it....

Since the seats are difficult to move and the idea is to move the pedals, make sure that you mount the throttle on the pedal mount so it can move with the brake and clutch. (my unsolicited opinion again)

[Chadillac]

Since the seats are difficult to move and the idea is to move the pedals, make sure that you mount the throttle on the pedal mount so it can move with the brake and clutch. (my unsolicited opinion again)

No, I'm very thankful for all your advice. I'm anxious for the gas pedal to arrive so we can finally figure out how this is suppose to work.

Has Fran given you an expected delivery date yet Aloysius? About a week and a half ago our cars were at the same point in assembly.

[Chadillac]

What did you order/get for the Digidash? Did it come with all the sensors, like a fuel level sensor? Fran said the tanks will be filled with foam instead of baffles. That would make the swing float sensor problematic.


Well I started looking at the DigiDash and all I could find were water and oil temp sensors; there was no fuel level sensor. There is a really nice wiring diagram and good instructions.

[soon_2b_evil]

oh how excitiing! can we get that other picture of the car naked from the side?

[Craig – Absolute PACE]

Chad, I'll check with Fran on the fuel level sender. Ours came in a separate white box from memory. Slightly smaller in size to the mirror boxes.

Also checked on the gas pedal. Yes it fits in there. The electric car had the same gas pedal in the exact same position as the petrol powered cars.

I'm guessing it's going to be tight with feet/pedal space. Being around Cobra's for many years, it's certainly something I am used to.

So once you get the pedal, then we will see how much space you have to play with.

[Chadillac]

Thanks Craig. Maybe the little box is in the larger box that was left at RCR. How close are we to another update from you?

[B-T]

Are "Bumper spools" supplied with the kit? If not, where do you get them, and how are they installed? The RCR Australia web site says detailed build manuals come with the cars, but Fran told me it does not. From my shop visit, I was under the impression that there would be wiring and bolt on type work to do (besides the engine / trans setup). I also have to contend with the drive by wire, but working out suspension setup and tank fillers does not seem to be part of what was bargained for initially. I might be confused, but what are the impressions of the "yet to order an SL-r" crowd, as far as what work you will do when the car arrives?
Maybe the purchasing should be limited to people who have an ASE certification or something.
BT

[soon_2b_evil]

Are "Bumper spools" supplied with the kit? If not, where do you get them, and how are they installed? The RCR Australia web site says detailed build manuals come with the cars, but Fran told me it does not. From my shop visit, I was under the impression that there would be wiring and bolt on type work to do (besides the engine / trans setup). I also have to contend with the drive by wire, but working out suspension setup and tank fillers does not seem to be part of what was bargained for initially. I might be confused, but what are the impressions of the "yet to order an SL-r" crowd, as far as what work you will do when the car arrives?
Maybe the purchasing should be limited to people who have an ASE certification or something.
BT

Seems like a huge load in front of you to do all that stuff. just take your time with it. dont lose your way with this type of project. I believe in you! You can do it! i dont think you need to have a ASE certification. Its all about doing your own thing. think outside the box. I wish i had the money to get one of these now before the price goes up. I know it would be till like X-mas for me but im going to keep my eyes on here.

[Chadillac]

Got the front spoiler mounted tonight. As you can see you have to drill two holes into the nose and then a metal bar with two screws go through it. These two screws go attach to the top of the spoiler and at the bottom of the spoiler are two more holes that bolt directly to the frame.

[Karlo]

I was suprised how sturdy the air dam is:lift:

[Degeneerit]

Are "Bumper spools" supplied with the kit? If not, where do you get them, and how are they installed? The RCR Australia web site says detailed build manuals come with the cars, but Fran told me it does not. From my shop visit, I was under the impression that there would be wiring and bolt on type work to do (besides the engine / trans setup). I also have to contend with the drive by wire, but working out suspension setup and tank fillers does not seem to be part of what was bargained for initially. I might be confused, but what are the impressions of the "yet to order an SL-r" crowd, as far as what work you will do when the car arrives?
Maybe the purchasing should be limited to people who have an ASE certification or something.
BT

I don't mean to offend anyone so don't take anything personally please. Buying one of the first produced kit cars is an extreme amount of work and ambition and you may not be able to work out all of the kinks that will be worked out by the manufacturer. You buy the first car you volunteer to do the research and development PERIOD! These cars have never been driven or even run through ansys 12 or stress tested or even completely built for that matter. These things do not happen until you buy one and do if yourself. Your going to find problems with your car and you going to tell Fran and hopefully he will engineer a solution so the rest of us who were willing to wait will not have to go through what you went through. I choose to wait until most of the kinks are worked out. When I feel that has happened that is when I will buy this kit car. And for those of you that think the price is going to rise your way way off. This is not an ariel atom that gets tons of publicity from mainstream television shows, this is a diy kit car.

[Craig – Absolute PACE]

BT, the SL-R's are brand new. You are an early adopter, actually one of the very first. So effectively we are pioneering the way in some respects. So a little patience and understanding will be required for some parts.

Even though there is not a manual as such, I'm hoping as a community we will have the build process documented fairly quickly. Unfortunately there will be areas that are not just bolt together. Two reasons I can see for this, price and the fact the SL-R has just been released.

In my opinion the SL-R is a bargain, if anyone doubts that, just look at the quality chassis, panels & parts that you get for $16k. Absolute bargain in my books.

Degeneerit, put it this way, I have got in early and ordered a lot of SL-Rs for Australia. I believe the SL-R currently is either under priced or over spec'd, which ever way you like to look at it. So I am jumping on it while the going is good. I have a lot of faith in RCR and the quality & performance of the products. Obviously that's why I am involved in the Australian arm. So I have no doubt the SL-R will be a performer. And thank god the SL-R is not an Ariel Atom, at least that way we don't have to pay the Ariel Atom price tag & we enjoy much greater flexibility with the SL-R.

[Gage]

Outstanding post. Took the words out of my mouth.

BT, the SL-R's are brand new. You are an early adopter, actually one of the very first. So effectively we are pioneering the way in some respects. So a little patience and understanding will be required for some parts.

Even though there is not a manual as such, I'm hoping as a community we will have the build process documented fairly quickly. Unfortunately there will be areas that are not just bolt together. Two reasons I can see for this, price and the fact the SL-R has just been released.

In my opinion the SL-R is a bargain, if anyone doubts that, just look at the quality chassis, panels & parts that you get for $16k. Absolute bargain in my books.

Degeneerit, put it this way, I have got in early and ordered a lot of SL-Rs for Australia. I believe the SL-R currently is either under priced or over spec'd, which ever way you like to look at it. So I am jumping on it while the going is good. I have a lot of faith in RCR and the quality & performance of the products. Obviously that's why I am involved in the Australian arm. So I have no doubt the SL-R will be a performer. And thank god the SL-R is not an Ariel Atom, at least that way we don't have to pay the Ariel Atom price tag & we enjoy much greater flexibility with the SL-R.

[Craig – Absolute PACE]

Thanks Gage.

I would like to add that both Fran & I will be working our butts off to make the SL-R the best it can possibly be and get all the build glitches sorted asap.

Guys as you can tell, I'm really keen to see this product be a success I know it can be. At the moment we have a good product at a great price. With a little fine tuning, time to sort out supply & a little ironing out of glitches, I know it will be a great product.

I can't wait to get our first SL-R out in the public eye as I know it will surprise a lot of people here.

Sorry for the thread hi-jack Chad.

[Chadillac]

I understand that BT, Craig, Aloysius and I are sort of the 'guinea pigs' for this car and I understand that this is a car and not some lego set where everything just snaps together. I've actually enjoyed getting to problems solve some things and work on the car after work. It's quite relaxing.

However, I think what BT is most upset about is the fact that we were under the impression that this car would be in a much more finished state when we received the car. To tell you the truth, I've been a little upset about this too; I just haven't been as vocal, atleast not on the forums.

But, to look on the bright side by the time the first set of us finish the car, hopefully we can document the build well enough that it will be quite easy for everyone else to finish the car.

Overall, I still absoloutley love the car and find it to be one of the best bargains out there for any kind of kit car. I'm just anxious for when I am finally able to drive it and all of the bugs are worked out.

[Degeneerit]

Theres definitely nothing you guys wont be able to handle with the help of the forum its just going to take a little more time. I hope I can help in some way to speed things up for you guys.

[Gage]

Listen to my experience.

I paid way way way more for an Ariel Atom (with a partner's help)
and it still had glitches that the builder and the UK factory would not address or offer satisfactory solutions for. El cheapo light sockets that allowed lights to vibrate out, over and over... with replacement parts offering only the same problem, engines contacting frames in really bad ways, messed up paint jobs, etc, Shocks installed backwards, inconsistent power levels on engines, etc. etc. Some problems were rare, some common. But still,

I loved my Atom. Most Atom owners accepted minor problems as part of the experience, even having paid that much money. 40k to 80K (back when they were more affordable)

But, the SL-R is truly a kit car. For what we are getting... super car performance with nearly everything about the car being completely customizable without an insanely marked up luxury price for a dealer/factory..

......this car is amazing.

With all that said, I know I'm going to pull my hair out over my own construction and/or engineering problems when I get my SL-R.

I'll still have a ball.

[Gage]

Chadillac, for the record, this picture is my new wallpaper. You finally showed me an image of the SL-R that I loved. (other than the orginal art/concept photo)

I HATE the car in yellow. (no offense guys who love yellow..beauty in the eye of the beholder and all)

Your's shows the potential of the car to look great. Thanks for the photo. It encouraged me.

http://exocars.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=721&d=1214276780

[soon_2b_evil]

Listen to my experience.

I paid way way way more for an Ariel Atom (with a partner's help)
and it still had glitches that the builder and the UK factory would not address or offer satisfactory solutions for. El cheapo light sockets that allowed lights to vibrate out, over and over... with replacement parts offering only the same problem, engines contacting frames in really bad ways, messed up paint jobs, etc, Shocks installed backwards, inconsistent power levels on engines, etc. etc. Some problems were rare, some common. But still,

I loved my Atom. Most Atom owners accepted minor problems as part of the experience, even having paid that much money. 40k to 80K (back when they were more affordable)

But, the SL-R is truly a kit car. For what we are getting... super car performance with nearly everything about the car being completely customizable without an insanely marked up luxury price for a dealer/factory..

......this car is amazing.

With all that said, I know I'm going to pull my hair out over my own construction and/or engineering problems when I get my SL-R.

I'll still have a ball.

how interesting. i thougth that car would have been fully refined and everything taken care of. Just Get up and go. Hopfully ill get my hands on one of these and i cant wait for the headache

[B-T]

The frustrations I have experienced have been largely avoidable. Better communication (i.e. any) from Fran would have put my concerns to rest. As it stands I think I have something being delivered today, although there has not been any contact yet from the trucker. I have asked if it would be easier / better for me to call the trucker directly so that I can answer any delivery questions, but Fran just passes on whatever emails I send (apparently). Since ordering the car in March and paying for everything, I have spoken to Fran two or three times, and his secretary maybe four or five times to ask him to contact me. All the posting by Fran about "getting it right the first time" really does not seem to be reassuring to me at this point.
Not to hijack the thread here, but I am pretty sure Fran 'forgot' a box of parts for my car also. :thumbdown2: This is because he asked Chad if his car was the one with the drive by wire so he would know which box of parts to send. Anyway, I had a great drive today on the Blue Ridge Parkway, the views and weather were great!
BT

[B-T]

I don't mean to offend anyone so don't take anything personally please. Buying one of the first produced kit cars is an extreme amount of work and ambition and you may not be able to work out all of the kinks that will be worked out by the manufacturer. You buy the first car you volunteer to do the research and development PERIOD! These cars have never been driven or even run through ansys 12 or stress tested or even completely built for that matter. These things do not happen until you buy one and do if yourself. Your going to find problems with your car and you going to tell Fran and hopefully he will engineer a solution so the rest of us who were willing to wait will not have to go through what you went through. I choose to wait until most of the kinks are worked out. When I feel that has happened that is when I will buy this kit car. And for those of you that think the price is going to rise your way way off. This is not an ariel atom that gets tons of publicity from mainstream television shows, this is a diy kit car.


I know what you are saying, and it is probably true. But I think that Fran should have built at least one operable car to know what any of us would need to do. I wish I had waited like you are doing. As it stands I am waiting, but I've spent almost $25k.
:(
BT

[Chadillac]

Chadillac, for the record, this picture is my new wallpaper. You finally showed me an image of the SL-R that I loved. (other than the orginal art/concept photo)

Your's shows the potential of the car to look great. Thanks for the photo. It encouraged me.


Thanks for the great compliment Gage. I can't imagine that I would ever have had such a cool car that someone would want to have it as their background on their computer!

[Chadillac]

The frustrations I have experienced have been largely avoidable. Better communication (i.e. any) from Fran would have put my concerns to rest. As it stands I think I have something being delivered today, although there has not been any contact yet from the trucker. I have asked if it would be easier / better for me to call the trucker directly so that I can answer any delivery questions, but Fran just passes on whatever emails I send (apparently). Since ordering the car in March and paying for everything, I have spoken to Fran two or three times, and his secretary maybe four or five times to ask him to contact me. All the posting by Fran about "getting it right the first time" really does not seem to be reassuring to me at this point.

BT

Sorry to hear about your frustrations BT. Maybe most of your frustrations are with the trucking company and that is trickling over to Fran? That seems very odd that a trucking company would not contact you about them picking up your car and giving you a firm delivery date.

Rich's Classic Transport's customer service was excellent! They called me as soon as they picked up the car and called me at least once a day to tell me where they were at and what time they thought it would arrive in Idaho.

I would try contacting the trucking company directly if you still haven't heard anything from them yet. Communication always is less when there is a middle man.

[B-T]

...
I would try contacting the trucking company directly if you still haven't heard anything from them yet. Communication always is less when there is a middle man.

I would call them if Fran would give me their number. He had the shipper pick the car up after I got worried that Fedex would not be able to get the car to me by the time I left for vacation. I have suggested a few times that he give me their contact info, but Fran just says "No problem, I'll pass the info along." At least this is supposed to save a few dollars over the Fedex shipping company.

Actually, I have not spoken to Fran since my shop visit (maybe once). I get a full message on his voicemail using the cell number, the secretary that says she will have Fran contact me using the shop number, and an email reply that says "your car was picked up last Friday" (about 2 weeks ago) "I've passed the info on to the shipper" or "The shipper said the car will be delivered on the 28th" as an email reply. Again, it seems that for some odd reason Fran does not want to let me have any direct contact with the shipper, but he will probably post after the fact that he just misunderstood my request for their number or something.
This sucks.
Any word or tracking number for your box of parts?
BT

[Chadillac]

Nope, haven't heard anything for a while about parts. He told me that the brake callipers were being shipped directly from Wilwood to my house so I'm hoping next week something arrives. After these mirrors are done I'm not sure what I can do without more parts. My wife is going to try and make some seat covers and we might try and put something down on the floor. The aluminum floor gets marked up really easily and I just want something to protect it.

[B-T]

Got the shipper info from Fran. All you have to do is post something semi-shaky on www.gt40s.com and he replies almost instantly! Unfortunately, the number he gave me (810) 468-6666 is not a working number. Progress anyways. Fran PM'd me that he will try to get a different number to me tomorrow.
BT

[aloysius]

... not sure what I can do without more parts. ...

What kind of engine mount do you have? Are they the same as Bill has on his mounted engine; ie 2006 Civic Si? Install the engine. How about designing up some plastic spools to limit your steering? Then there's the instruments. I thought you said you received them. How are you going to tether the harness? I think you'll have to cut slots in the fire wall where you wrap the top ends around the cross member. Oh yes then there's the plumbing for the radiators. I found some 1-3/8" aluminum tube drywall handels at Home Depot that will work nicely across the chassis (15$). You'll have to fab up the throttle pedal and cable. The pedal in the Electrolite is just an 8x2-1/2" aluminum rectangle with a hinge on the bottom. It was mounted on the floor with two bolts. Bill's floor was already drilled with the holes but there was no pedal installed. Think about what kind of switches and wiring you'll be needing for the head lights, turn signals and tail lights. You'll need some relays too; one for the fuel pump, one for the head lights, one for the starter, one for the horn. Speaking of fuel pumps how are you going to do that? I've got a Walbro to install inside the tank. I'll add a pressure regulator inside too so I only have one fuel line. Check out Hondata's tech notes. They've posted some wiring schematics on what's the minimum necessary to run an engine. Man, I can think of lots of things you don't need more parts for. Stop sitting and dreaming in it and GET TO WORK or you'll lose the race for first to drive.

[Craig – Absolute PACE]

Guys I do know we are getting some nice billet gas pedals from RCR for the SL-R kits. I assume Fran wasn't happy with what he had and sourced some more suitable and much nicer pedals by the sounds of it. Sounds good to me. :thumb2:

[Chadillac]

Aloysius - I do have the rubber engine mounts but I'm missing the brackets that attach the mounts to the engine. I have the DigiDash but on Fran's website it talks about a mount for that to attach to the dash. I was going to wait until I got the radiators until I started making anything for those. For most of this stuff I want to wait until I have everything so I can make sure what I'm building for it is correct. I'm still missing a lot of the wiring also.

Are you going to be making your own build thread here pretty soon? I'm sure many of us would like to see some of the stuff you're doing.

Craig - does this mean that we won't be using the wilwood pedals? I've seen the RCR pedals and they look fantastic, however I'm not a huge fan of the floor mounted pedals.

[Fran Hall RCR]

Chad,

just a new gas pedal....

Dan,
RCR employee has the engine mount part numbers ..all OEM Honda parts...allowing the mounts to absorb the vibration and the torque arm preventing too much engine movement..so no buzzing.

[RedLead550]

I know there's a few build threads going on but let me just put in an idea based on building my Spyder 7 years ago. What would really be extremely helpful for everyone is the following:

1. Pictures - As many as possible. I probably have several thousand pictures from other peoples cars, including real ones, to help figure out what people did and how they did it.

2. Product sources - This would include their website and the product number that you bought. I may not have bought the same thing as others but sometimes you just don't even know what to call what you need and this was extremely helpful.

3. Vendors that you DON'T recommend - In the Spyder world there are vendors that provide rather poor service and product builds that aren't that great (like engines). People still source from these vendors but at least you're making an informed decision.

What I did was to build Excel and Word spreadsheets to help track this information, and post it online. Then if someone needed information we could easily exchange it via email.

Another thing that would help is a little more organization of this site, but that's not all that crucial. Sometimes it's easier to find things if there are folders that are for separate topics like items for sale, mechanical issues, vendor issues, etc.

Thanks so far for the site, It's going to be very helpful in the build.

[Karlo]

Another thing that would help is a little more organization of this site, but that's not all that crucial. Sometimes it's easier to find things if there are folders that are for separate topics like items for sale, mechanical issues, vendor issues, etc.

Thanks so far for the site, It's going to be very helpful in the build.

Note Taken Bert Thanks

Karlo

[Chadillac]

So... I'm playing with the SL-R tonight and decide to take a flashlight to the gas tank to see how I'm going to try and work out the fuel sender, sensor, etc... And the gas tank is empty!!! I thought that the gas tank was suppose to be filled with foam! Is this some foam in a bottle that you have to spray in there or what's the deal? When Fran shipped the tanks to you Craig were they already filled with foam?

[RedLead550]

This seems like a pretty good idea as a sender. I know a few people that have used it with good results but I have no personal experience with the product. http://www.centroidproducts.com/

[Chadillac]

Thanks for the link ReadLead. According to Fran, he's suppose to provide the senders. The thing that I'm worried about is if the tank has no baffles or foam installed the gas gauge is going to be bouncing all over the place and on those long corners my engine is going to die from lack of fuel.

I'm also planning on installing an oil baffle for the engine.

[Karlo]

Jim and I asked about the foam, it comes in cubes, small enough to squeeze into the hole. But I cannot remember if it is an option or standard.

[Chadillac]

So I'm guessing it's something like this:

http://evomx.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=61

That's a pretty neat idea.

[RedLead550]

You could use a dry sump-system for the oil if you're concerned about loosing pressure on cornering.

[Chadillac]

A dry sump would be really nice and just cool, however they're awfully expensive. (I'm already starting to push my luck with the wife). And I just couldn't justify the expense when an oil baffle and a little extra oil will work just fine.

[ozvenom]

Hi guys just want to let you of a couple of things that go on in fuel tanks 1 if you use foam you have to use a different sender its tube type it has a float in side which is not effected by the foam. 2 when you put foam in a tank which i used to do but dont any more it will hold about 10- 15 % of you fuel capacity in suspension ie if you have a 5 gallon tank you will only get out about 4.5 gallons as the foam holds it.
The best way is baffles and or a surge tank either external or built in . I am going to modify the supplied tank by putting in 2 baffles with one about 5 inches from the out lets and a good fit around the tank so that it will hold fuel and stop surge in corners .
It has to have a good fit with only about 20 thou clearance so that it fills up easily but doesnt run out in a corner.
an external tank does not need a second pump it just has to be hooked up with a vent to the main tank and at the same level as the main tank . its a simple solution to the problem that relies on gravity to keep it full or close to it.
obviously as the level gets done so does the surge tanks which why circuit cars use a second pump to keep it full no matter what the tank level which i would recommend to anyone going to the track.
hope this helps .
oz.

[mantraxl]

Out of curiousity Chad, how tall are you? You look like you have a ton of room going by the side view of yourself sitting in the car. I am 6'6" and am interested in a SL-R and am trying to figure out if I can physically fit in one. I daily drive a 91 honda civic without trouble, but have historically had a hard time fitting into lotus seven type replicas. the SL-R looks roomier, but I was hoping for testimony on the subject.

Thanks

[Chadillac]

I'm 6'0" and I have a TON of room. My Father-in-Law is 6'4" and fits just fine too. The pedals are adjustable so you can slide them forward quite a bit. I'm guessing that you would fit just fine.

The only kinds of people that I could see that wouldn't fit is if you are super short and couldn't reach the pedals or if you're really big sideways the fiberglass seats might be too tight.

[Karlo]

Chad

Did you get your motor mounts yet?

[Chadillac]

Nope, not yet. I'm hoping they'll be here tomorrow!

[B_OBrien]

How is the build coming along???

[Chadillac]

The engine is in guys! Well... mostly. I'm going to put a jack or two underneath it just in case. 2 of the mounts work and the third ones missing a few stuff. I'm still working on getting the rear mount. You wouldn't imagine how hard it is to find M14-2.00 or M12-1.25 nuts.

I rented the engine hoist for $19 for the entire weekend!

Anyways, I'm tired guys. I sure hope that was the hardest part of the build and I really hope I didn't make a mistake by installing the engine already. There isn't much clearance between the fire wall and the engine.

[Karlo]

Well done Chad, you are on your way------------------------------>

[Chadillac]

Thanks Karlo. Here's a few more pictures...

[Fran Hall RCR]

Chad,
the engine is pushed forward to improve the cars handling...more weight forward gives you better front to rear weight bias.

Well done on the start of your install......

[aloysius]

Good work Chad!
Just a couple of comments that you've probably already noticed. It looks like your left mount is rotated clockwise just a tad compared to the pictures of the mount in the gallery. Rotating it back CC would move the aluminum block to the right and help align the hole in the frame and the front hole of the mount. Your picture of the right mount shows the power steering pump. I replaced the pump with an idler that saves weight and cleans up the engine. And... I think if you take a rattle can and paint the back side of your seats they would look more finished.
Keep up hte good work.

[Gage]

Wow. Great progress!! You aren't kidding about close fire wall clearance.

I think getting the radiator to fit and making the shift linkage will be your biggest challenges. Installing an engine is alot of wiggling and pushing.

At this point I'm also wondering if a Rotrex would even fit. I may just send my whole engine/tranny with Rotrex installed to Fran for a test fit. The Rotrex mounts above the alternator between the engine and the firewall on an SLR. It appears to protrude out a good bit farther than the Alternator.

Your engine looks fantastic in the car with that red valve cover.

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[aloysius]

Show us a straight-on shot of the SC to compare the firewall clearance with Chad's alternator. The engine might be rotated too when installed in the SLR alowing more clearance.

Gage, that looks like an Atom mount sticking out of your TSX engine and the rear of an Atom in your garage? You can't fool us! You're an industrial spy seeking tricks from the SLR guys.

[Chadillac]

Good work Chad!
Just a couple of comments that you've probably already noticed. It looks like your left mount is rotated clockwise just a tad compared to the pictures of the mount in the gallery. Rotating it back CC would move the aluminum block to the right and help align the hole in the frame and the front hole of the mount.

Good eye Aloysius. That's the mount that I'm still missing a few parts and have to do a little modifying to get it to work. I have a jack underneath that side as it's barely hanging on there.

I was also planning on getting a P/S delete kit that actually moves the alternator down. Elminating weight and lowering the CG of the alternator. Just have to save up a little more money.

If you guys are looking for some more room in the engine bay you could always put the firewall on the other side of the frame, so the fire wall is right behind the seats.

Here's a straight on shot to give you a little bit better idea for clearances.

[Gage]

Gage, that looks like an Atom mount sticking out of your TSX engine and the rear of an Atom in your garage? You can't fool us! You're an industrial spy seeking tricks from the SLR guys.

I am a Calscot Fan. He has taken the Atom to entirely new levels. That is a shot of his engine.

[B-T]

Looks good Chad! As my carpenter would say "All you lack is finishing up!"
Keep at it, it should be a blast when you are done.
:)
BT

[soon_2b_evil]

I would hate to have a lady's hair get caught up back there!
Man your build is coming along and im excited about it for you!

[Chadillac]

I would hate to have a lady's hair get caught up back there!
Man your build is coming along and im excited about it for you!

Haha, that's true! The passenger is going to have a belt turning at almost 9000 rpms inches from their head.

[FIAROADSTER]

Actually, a serious consideration. Google the death of Isadora Duncan.

[Karlo]

Actually, a serious consideration. Google the death of Isadora Duncan.

FIAROADSTER

Please explain???

[FIAROADSTER]

Duncan was a world famous dancer who was killed in 1927 when her scarf became intangled in a wheel as she was riding off with her lover.

[B-T]

You could just order one of those "No Scarf" signs to put in front of the passenger. Tangled hair would rip out before anything tragic would happen most likely. I drive my Ginetta with a leather bomber's helmet, you could have a pair of those in black leather, available at your local dominatrix shop....
:D
BT

[Gage]

FIAROADSTER

Please explain???

Karlo! Just google it. :D

No kidding. That was bad way to die.

A helmet might be mandatory for female passengers with long hair.

[Goin South]

I would sure like my contributions to this forum to be more positive, but I need to respond to this thread.

In 2005 I was seated for jury duty and had a case that involved a woman who was scalped after her (very long) hair was caught in the shaft of a ventilation fan. This is absolutely true; I saw her and heard her testimony. Below is a link to a story.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-95830943.html


So… Caveat Emptor is not enough here. No scarves, long hair, loose fitting clothing, etc. Accessory drive pulleys and belts are right behind the passenger’s head in these exocars. Nobody wants to go through a scalping. ‘Nuff said.

[Fran Hall RCR]

OK ...new vetting procedure for all SL-R customers....
"would you be prepared to sport the 2007 Britney Spears haircut prior to driving your
new SL-R"......winkwink

[B-T]

I would sure like my contributions to this forum to be more positive, but I need to respond to this thread.

In 2005 I was seated for jury duty and had a case that involved a woman who was scalped after her (very long) hair was caught in the shaft of a ventilation fan. This is absolutely true; I saw her and heard her testimony. Below is a link to a story.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-95830943.html


So… Caveat Emptor is not enough here. No scarves, long hair, loose fitting clothing, etc. Accessory drive pulleys and belts are right behind the passenger’s head in these exocars. Nobody wants to go through a scalping. ‘Nuff said.

Yikes! I did not think that the injuries from tangled hair could be so severe. Definitely make some provisions to prevent this in your SL-R or other mid-engine exo-cars. Thanks for the heads up G-S.
:)

[Chadillac]

To bring up the belt again... It looks to me that if you use one of those aftermarket P/S delete kits where it moves the alternator down lower you are going to have problems with the belt rubbing against the frame (this would be VERY bad). Fran suggested just using a shorter belt and skipping the P/S.

[Gage]

It looks to me that if you use one of those aftermarket P/S delete kits where it moves the alternator down lower you are going to have problems with the belt rubbing against the frame

Chad,
In my dreamworld I want to send the my motor and transmission to Fran with the Rotrex and the power steering delete kit bolted on.. (or so that they can put them together) and then test fit it in an SL-R. Do you think it would be a big deal to move the engine or a frame member enough to accomodate that belt? I'm just asking for some speculation on your part.

[Chadillac]

The part of the frame that it would hit would be the tab for the bolt-on roll bar. If you wanted to, you could just shave off a little bit to give you some clearance for the belt. Not a big problem.

I'm not sure if the P/S & A/C delete kit will work with the Rotrex supercharger though. You may have to look into that. I'm pretty sure that you'll have plenty of space to do what you want.

Gage...I can't wait to see what you do with your SL-R. That is going to be one CRAZY ride!!!

[Chadillac]

I think if you take a rattle can and paint the back side of your seats they would look more finished.


Well, I took your advice Aloysius and spray painted the back of my seats a nice flat black. They look so much better now and the flat black tends to hide a lot of the bumps in the fiberglass.

[B_OBrien]

:worthless:

More pics please!!

[Chadillac]

Sorry, it's my bed time. I'll try and post some pictures of them tomorrow.

[soon_2b_evil]

what makes it even worst you have your Rotex supercharger there and it just sucks up everything! LOL

[Chadillac]

The wife just called to tell me a box just arrived from Fran! Woohoo for more parts! :coolnana:

[Pagester]

woohoo new toys!

[Craig – Absolute PACE]

Wait till you see the radiators, headlights and other parts. Very nice indeed.

After seeing the headlights, I can wait to see the tail lights. They are going to be very cool.

Enjoy.

[Chadillac]

List of parts:

1 radiator
4 calipers with mounting gear
2 headlights (no mounting gear)
new mounting gear for pedals (shifts pedals to the left)

My son helped me take all the parts out of the box and even cleaned them by slobbering all over them. The headlights and especially the radiator look awesome! I would probably recommend trying to install the radiator before the engine as it might be a little more difficult with the engine in. But, I'm pretty sure it will all be OK. I'm also excited that Fran came up with a solution for the pedals.

We're going to a fundraiser right now, but I will try and post pictures later tonight.

[Gage]

I am looking forward to the pictures Chadonator.

[Chadillac]

Here's some pictures from tonight. I guess the radiator is a dual core radiator so we only need one. It looks to me that it will be easier to mount it on the driver's side as the hoses seem to be facing that direction anyways. It looks VERY good in person. And that means you can either put an oil cooler or intercooler on the other side!

The pedal modification that Fran did looks good. Plenty of room for the gas pedal now.

The last picture is the back of my newly painted seat. I'm not sure why it's so blurry? The reflection is from the camera as the flat black paint does not usually reflect light very well.

Chadonator... I've never been called that before. But I like it!

[Gage]

If that is where the radiator is going and that is how it is going to look..

I love it.

What type of fan are you going to use? Dimensions, brand etc?

Could we just do a group buy on intercoolers the same size as that radiator?

Thanks for the all the pictures.

Your seats look ten times better spray painted black on the back.

[Gage]

Here's some pictures from tonight. I guess the radiator is a dual core radiator so we only need one. It looks to me that it will be easier to mount it on the driver's side as the hoses seem to be facing that direction anyways.

Holy Jumping Bananna's. Avoid gravel roads. The Atom would throw up some nice rocks and pebbles on a regular basis from the front wheels. Am I missing something or are those scoups going to catch a lot of stuff from the front wheels?

A screen of some sort may be in order.

[Craig – Absolute PACE]

Gage, the SL-R kit comes with thermo fan for the radiator. They are just currently on back order. They will hopefully be available very soon.

[Chadillac]

Just to clarify... how I positioned the radiator in the side pod is not where it will be mounted. The radiator will actually be placed further back and parallel to the fire wall. The pod also has an opening in the back to allow excellent air flow through the radiator.

The rear opening will also be helpful when Gage installs rocket boosters in his side pods.

[Gage]

Well ... it looked sweet as candy right where you had it.

[B_OBrien]

How's the build????

[Chadillac]

Sorry, no updates here. Our stocks and investments have seriously been dropping like crazy the last couple of months. My broker keeps on telling me that it's because of the election and they should start recovering after November.

I've just decided that with this going on, it would be more wise of me to save our extra money instead of spending it on cars and toys.

Once our stocks start going back up, I'll be able to invest some more money and get this car done!

[B-T]

Any update on the parts? Do you have all the stuff from RCR or is it on backorder? It would be a good idea to try and get the engine running and hooked up even if all the street legal stuff is not done. Then all you would have to do is some wiring.

Chin up, bruddah!

My stocks have taken a big dive this year also. I'm meeting with the money manager next Wednesday, looks like he might be losing some money to manage...

:)
BT

[Chadillac]

Thanks for the uplift BT. Fran actually e-mailed me just the other day about getting the rest of the parts to me. I'll do as much as I can with the parts I have, but I'll have to wait to buy any new parts.

I probably won't have the engine running for a while as I still have to buy a fuel pump, regulator, headers and an exhaust. I'd rather wait and see how this storms passes before investing more into this project. I can't even find a place to insure the car until I'm 26. That means the earliest I could have the car on the road is spring.

My broker has always done good for us in the past, but with the economy the way it is and the election coming up soon, I don't think anyone is having much luck in the stock markets.

[TypeOne]

I read through this whole thread and I've got a few questions about your setup.

What type of wiring kit was supplied with your SL-R? Did it have any provisions for the K series engine?

Reason I ask, is because I've been wiring up the K series engines in all types of cars BESIDES the RSX/Integra for years. I have made many wiring harnesses for the K series that can be adapted to almost anything that has a battery.

Do you plan on supercharging this engine? Do you think the Jackson Racing SC would interfere with the chassis?

I know you mentioned earlier about the K20A's ECU, you are correct the USDM version (K20A2) has an immobilizer that restricts the engine's fuel pump and ignition coils from activation. You will need to purchase a Hondata KPRO. Not only will it improve performance drastically, it gives you the option to turn off certain sensors and the immobilizer function.

I look forward to your progress, and I too will be building an SL-R hopefully within the next year. But, I do have some issues with the way the car looks and some of the parts it is equipped with. Since most of the SL guys check this thread.. I'll ask them here.

1. Is there any way I can get the car without those corvette hubs? I prefer the hubs to be the common 5x114.3. Maybe use them from a Nissan 240SX?
2. Are there any pictures available on the light situation? I saw some chrome ones that looked like they came from a 70's parade go kart.
3. Will it be possible to run the STACK (http://www.stackltd.com/streetdash1.html) instead of the digidash 2?

Sorry if this is a thread jack, I just want some feedback from the people interested in this little kit car.

-David

[Gage]

1. Is there any way I can get the car without those corvette hubs? I prefer the hubs to be the common 5x114.3. Maybe use them from a Nissan 240SX?
2. Are there any pictures available on the light situation? I saw some chrome ones that looked like they came from a 70's parade go kart.
3. Will it be possible to run the STACK (http://www.stackltd.com/streetdash1.html) instead of the digidash 2?
-David

I would also like to see another option besides the corvette hubs. Ask Fran. He is very easy to talk to and has always responded to my emails.

The lights... see the attached picture of an early prototype EL-R.
I would prefer to powder coat the light housing in black, but honestly, have you seen the lights normally used on cars like this? They almost all suck. Check the Ariel Atom's huge bug eyed wonders for example.. or the Caterham versions.
Relative to what is out there, I think Fran did great on this choice. But... like everyone here, I would love to see any suggestions you might come up with. Show me something that looks great for a reasonable price. I'll start singing "For he's a jolley good fellow!"

The wonderful thing about this kit is that you can do nearly anything you want to. I'm certain you could make that dash work. RCR will probably work with you on dropping items you want to customize/purchase yourself, but then I'm just guessing. Fran is a reasonable chap.

[TypeOne]

Gage, I have talked with Fran he is an excellent guy, very helpful.

I understand his concerns about which parts RCR will include with the cars and why. Although changing the hub will be totally up to me, this is something that I personally will want to change... I Understand that the hubs and bearings are from a Corvette.. now they will withstand tons of pressure and power, however there are other alternatives that will do the job just as good, in addition to extending the wheel choice.

I plan to do almost all of the wiring and ect myself, so I was really just curious to see if anyone else had any type of requests. Or if anyone had even used the STACK cluster... I have had excellent experiences with them.. and I believe the Atom uses one similar to it.

Thanks again for the great info!

[Chadillac]

Do you plan on supercharging this engine? Do you think the Jackson Racing SC would interfere with the chassis?

I know you mentioned earlier about the K20A's ECU, you are correct the USDM version (K20A2) has an immobilizer that restricts the engine's fuel pump and ignition coils from activation. You will need to purchase a Hondata KPRO. Not only will it improve performance drastically, it gives you the option to turn off certain sensors and the immobilizer function.

-David

I think the JR S/C should fit just fine. I can take some measurements for you, if my pictures aren't good enough. Right now I'm not planning on using a S/C, but maybe later on. I just want to get the car running right now.

I do have the (JDM) K20A. From what I've read, you don't need to have K-Pro. People on K20A.org have been able to get the car to run without it. But yes, I hope to get it someday, as soon as the budget allows.

[TypeOne]

I do have the (JDM) K20A. From what I've read, you don't need to have K-Pro. People on K20A.org have been able to get the car to run without it. But yes, I hope to get it someday, as soon as the budget allows.

You don't need a KPRO if you run the JDM ECU.

In the USDM computers, the immoblizer disables the fuel pump and the ignition system. You can bypass the fuel pump issue, however the coilpacks will still be dead, and the engine will not start.

The JDM computers only bypass the fuel pump, so if you run an external fuel switch, and run the pump on it's own relay, the engine will crank as long as it can get fuel.

:thumb2:

[Chadillac]

You don't need a KPRO if you run the JDM ECU.

In the USDM computers, the immoblizer disables the fuel pump and the ignition system. You can bypass the fuel pump issue, however the coilpacks will still be dead, and the engine will not start.

The JDM computers only bypass the fuel pump, so if you run an external fuel switch, and run the pump on it's own relay, the engine will crank as long as it can get fuel.

:thumb2:

Yeah, I remember somebody from K20A.org saying something about that. I've already got my Top-Gun style aircraft switch.



Got some more parts from Fran yesterday! Got the dash for the Digidash and the gas cap.

The gas cap does not have any sort of pressure valve. Does anyone know if I have to have a 1-way pressure valve for the gas tank? Or if I just run a return line off of the fuel rail, will that be enough?

[TypeOne]

The K20 stock is a return-less system.

Which way are you going to run it?

[Chadillac]

I was thinking that running an internal fuel pump and internal regulator would be the easiest. But then, wouldn't I need to get some pressure valve for the gas tank? Or if I got an aftermarket fuel rail (will need one anyways for a S/C) then could I just run a return line and not use a pressure valve for the gas tank? I'm thinking probably not.

I'm guessing in either case I'll need a pressure valve for the gas tank as the gas cap does not have a pressure valve.

[TypeOne]

The easiest way might be just to run a return style setup with an inline filter and fuel pressure regulator.

Many people with forced induction applications in RSX/TSX/EP3's must convert their cars to a return system when making over 400whp or so.

[Chadillac]

I don't have too many pictures to post, as I'm a bit of a slow poke, but I can take some pictures for you this week. I believe Aloysius is much farther ahead than I am.

[alljobs]

Still no pictures?

[B_OBrien]

I'll tell you who we need to see some pics of a finished car from..... RCR!!! Is Fran ever going to build one?? Maybe in 2010....

[Chadillac]

I've got a surprise for you guys...

Teaser pictures will be posted tonight.

[Ronnie]

:cool3:

R

[eisenjj]

:btyping:

[Chadillac]

Here's phase 1 for fiberglass work...

Phase 2 and 3 are going to be the real kickers!

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/fiberglass001.jpg

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/fiberglass002.jpg

[Ronnie]

Is that the gage pod that comes from Fran?

R

[Chadillac]

Yep, it is. I just had someone smooth it in so it looks like it belongs. He'll also be modifying the side pods and doing something else to the dash.

After that, I'm taking it to my father-in-law's friend that will be painting it for cost of materials. It will be pearl black.

[eisenjj]

I like your color choice and the red seats. I am looking forward to seeing more.

[Ronnie]

Chad,

Do you have pics of the shifter and throttle pedal that Fran supplies with the car?

R

[Chadillac]

Chad,

Do you have pics of the shifter and throttle pedal that Fran supplies with the car?

R

The shifter I'm using is from Hybrid Racing. I've placed a pre-order, and I believe they are going to start shipping them farely soon. *fingers crossed* I believe they finished all of their testing and now the first batch is in the manufacturing stage.

The shifter will require some modificaitons to work.

http://www.hybrid-racing.com/store/index.php/hybrid-racing-k-swap-bolt-in-short-shifter.html



The throttle that I received from Fran looks similar to this.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41cYTRH5D5L._SL500_AA280_.jpg

I'm choosing not do have a floor mounted pedal but instead will have a throttle pedal that is mounted to the Wilwood brake/clutch assembly.

[Chadillac]

Here's the axles...

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/axles.jpg

[Karlo]

Beautiful :tasty:

[golftdibrad]

The shifter I'm using is from Hybrid Racing. I've placed a pre-order, and I believe they are going to start shipping them farely soon. *fingers crossed* I believe they finished all of their testing and now the first batch is in the manufacturing stage.

The shifter will require some modificaitons to work.

http://www.hybrid-racing.com/store/index.php/hybrid-racing-k-swap-bolt-in-short-shifter.html



The throttle that I received from Fran looks similar to this.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41cYTRH5D5L._SL500_AA280_.jpg

I'm choosing not do have a floor mounted pedal but instead will have a throttle pedal that is mounted to the Wilwood brake/clutch assembly.


Hybrid racing is local to me! small world. the video on their front page is the local road racing track in LA; me and some friends are building a lemons car to run their this july.

[mkim1]

Hi Chad,

How much are these axles?

[Karlo]

Hi Chad,

How much are these axles?

They come with the Kit.

[Chadillac]

What have I done to my poor car???

Just kidding, it's suppose to look like this. The pod is going to be extended so that is flush with the rear tire.

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/fiberglass003.jpg

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/fiberglass004.jpg

I also installed the passenger side axle today. Fit very well. I also noticed that the axle is the exact same color as the powder coat, and it looks very good!

[Gage]

What have I done to my poor car???
Just kidding, it's suppose to look like this. The pod is going to be extended so that is flush with the rear tire.


Making your own fenders aye?

[Chadillac]

Making your own fenders aye?

I'm holding off on the fenders for now. I've been studying up on Idaho laws and there's a small chance I may be able to get around not having fenders. I may just have to promise that I'll only drive the car during good weather.

Although, if I add fenders late on, I think they'll flow much better with these new extended side pods. It also give me much more room for my radiator and fan. Then if I ever have cooling problems, I can upgrade to a larger radiator.

I'm also thinking of extending my air intake down into the other pod. Maybe have some sort of ram air effect. But that's probably an upgrade for next winter.

[B-T]

You definitely need a "No Fear" sticker for that car Chad! You are a brave soul to forge ahead with some of those modifications. I can't wait to see the finished product. You will probably get lots of press when it is all done!!!
Way cool!!!
:)
BT

[Chadillac]

Test fitted the battery today and it looks GREAT! The battery matches the colors of my car perfect (red and black) and the polished aluminum looks fantastic. I may have to rethink how I'm going to mount it though. The top of the battery is very close to the steering and clearance will be very small with the addition of polycarbonate.

The battery disconnect that comes with the battery kit is HUGE! I'm going to have to call Summit and see if I can replace it with a small unit. I'm guessing these are the ones they use on the outside of race cars so that they're easily able to find it when your car crashes. I just want one mounted on my dash.

[Chadillac]

...And all the King's men and all the King's horses put Humpty together again! ...Well sort of.

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/fiberglass005.jpg

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/fiberglass006.jpg

[Conquest351]

VERY NICE!!! Quick question, can you mount fatter rear tires on there? IE, is there enough room there for wider wheels and have them tuck into the chassis more instead of sticking out farther? Lookin gooood sir, I really dig it.

[Gage]

That looks great Chad!

[Chadillac]

VERY NICE!!! Quick question, can you mount fatter rear tires on there? IE, is there enough room there for wider wheels and have them tuck into the chassis more instead of sticking out farther? Lookin gooood sir, I really dig it.

I don't see any reason why not. I think it would improve the looks as well as the performance.


Thanks for the compliments guys. I was pretty nervous about this, but right now I'm feeling pretty good about how it's turning out. I've also had a request to take a picture from farther out so you can see the whole car with the wider side pod. I'll try and post it up later.

[Conquest351]

I don't see any reason why not. I think it would improve the looks as well as the performance.


Thanks for the compliments guys. I was pretty nervous about this, but right now I'm feeling pretty good about how it's turning out. I've also had a request to take a picture from farther out so you can see the whole car with the wider side pod. I'll try and post it up later.

Yeah, I think it'd look pretty slick with the rear wheels as wide as the opening you have there. Hehe. What size tires are you running now, 245-45-17's? Some 295-35-17's or some 315-35-17's would look at home back there...

[Steve Jarvis]

Guys, keep in mind that a car this light would never get a large street tire up to temperature. My concern is that any street tire except those designed for the Lotus Elise/Exige are going to have a hard time getting up to temp.

I would bet that stock Elise/Exige tires will give more grip (lateral or logitudinal) than the widest street tire. I love the look of wide tires, but on this car you will just be adding weight and frontal area.

Just my 2 cents,
Later, Steve

[B-T]

Guys, keep in mind that a car this light would never get a large street tire up to temperature. My concern is that any street tire except those designed for the Lotus Elise/Exige are going to have a hard time getting up to temp.

I would bet that stock Elise/Exige tires will give more grip (lateral or logitudinal) than the widest street tire. I love the look of wide tires, but on this car you will just be adding weight and frontal area.

Just my 2 cents,
Later, Steve

True. With a car weighing 1300 pounds you don't want to try to heat up too much rubber. I think the 245 would be pushing it.
Looks great though!!!
BT

[cordycord]

I noticed on the MEV site that they were running 19psi because of the lower weight. It boggles the mind...

[wgknestrick]

Guys, keep in mind that a car this light would never get a large street tire up to temperature. My concern is that any street tire except those designed for the Lotus Elise/Exige are going to have a hard time getting up to temp.

I would bet that stock Elise/Exige tires will give more grip (lateral or logitudinal) than the widest street tire. I love the look of wide tires, but on this car you will just be adding weight and frontal area.

Just my 2 cents,
Later, Steve

Why are F1 tires so wide then? You just need to run a soft, wide tire. I'd bet R tires would last quite a while on one of these things.

[cordycord]

F1 tires are wide because their ground effects creates downforce several times the weight of the car, and because that's what their rules allow. F1 would be running 6 inch tires if that's what the rules say.

There is an optimum width for any tire on any car, based on weight, downforce, performance and intended use. Exocars seem to take advantage of this mix of variables by running wide tires but low pressure--heat builds up and a wide tire works.

[B-T]

I had 19 psi in my Ginetta when I first got it (on one tire). The other three had 13 psi. It was really squirrely on the street, and bringing the pressure up to 28 seemed to remedy it. I agree that a super wide tire would likely never get up to temp on such a light car without the aid of high speed and downforce.

A reasonable sidewall will also increase performance generally. The 215/30-17 might look cool in photos on the front, but it will have worse rotational mass characteristics compared to a 205/50-15 as well as having a more drastic breakaway characteristic. Short stiff sidewalls have very little room to give, and will seem to lose contact more easily than a +/-2" sidewall. Steering response is improved with the super low profile tires, but good driving will have smooth inputs that work well for the taller sidewall. Real world roads are bumpier than the ideal for the low profile tire, so there is another reason for the increased sidewall.:old:

All that said, if I was (and I was at one time) building the SL-R I would go with Fran's recommendation of 225/45-17 front and 245/45-17 rear.:thumb2:
BT

[Steve Jarvis]

Keep in mind that race tires have compounds designed for the type of car they will be on.

I would love to have wide tires, but with the right compound for a 1,500lbs. car. Some nice formula car slicks will be great for the track. :)

The issue is over the counter street tires are design for street cars.

Even "R" compound tires are designed basically for street cars. It takes 2 hard race laps to get a set of Pilot Sport Cups up to pressure and temperature on my 3,500 lbs. street car.

On the street, the "R" compound had less traction than a street tire in any weather below 60 degrees. Don't even think about it when the temps are in the 30's or 40's (can you say 4th gear burn outs on dry pavement). On the track, you can still get them up to temp, but on the street they don't work.

This is why I believe running the stock Elise/Exige tires are such a good option. They are designed for a 1,900 lbs. car and they are very close to "R" compound. Of course the front is a 16" 195/50R16, but you could run the rear tire on all four corners 225/45R17.

Later, Steve

[Chadillac]

Got some parts in the mail this afternoon.

I know I don't need a fuel rail, but this one is much cooler. It hides a lot of the wires and the fuel line comes up through the intake manifold instead of from the side. This means that my fuel line will almost be completely hidden. The shift knob is the heaviest knob I've ever felt.

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/parts.jpg

[Gage]

Great stuff Chad. =0)

[Chadillac]

A few update pictures. Sorry it's so messy. But when the electrical gets really messy you know it's almost done, right?

I love this battery holder.

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/electrical001.jpg

A tray for the fuse box.

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/electrical002.jpg

Part of the Hybrid Racing Harness. There's no way to do this car without a Hybrid Racing harness.

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/electrical003.jpg

The ECU is mounted behind the driver. It's at an angle so it doesn't hit the seat and there's a LOT of junk hidden behind it as well.

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/electrical004.jpg

And the battery cut-off switch.

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/electrical005.jpg

[wgknestrick]

Why not run the wires through the frame?

[Chadillac]

Why not run the wires through the frame?

Some of the wires are in the frame. For the wires going down the middle of the car, there will be a aluminum piece that matches the floor to cover them. Similar to what the Aussies did. When it's all said and done, almost all the wires should be hidden.

I should add that there's still quite a bit of wiring and hiding to do. It's far from done. I just wanted to give an update.

I promise it will look much better.

[Ronnie]

Keep going Chad. You are one of the pioneers on this project, and I look forward to your input and progress.

Keep it up.

R

[Conquest351]

Chad...


HURRY UP!!!! LOL



JK
Great looking so far. Looks like you've been hitting the garage pretty hard as of late my friend. Keep up the good work!!

[cordycord]

Looks awesome Chad, except for that damn wiring--I'm afraid of that part of the build. :)

Hey, did you use hard lines for brake/clutch going from the front to the back of the car? I only see braided...

[Chadillac]

Looks awesome Chad, except for that damn wiring--I'm afraid of that part of the build. :)

Hey, did you use hard lines for brake/clutch going from the front to the back of the car? I only see braided...

I'm using a combintation between braided and hard lines. Those braided lines aren't installed yet, they're just kind of hanging there. I still have to run hard lines from the front to the back. I've never bent brake lines before, so this will be interesting.

[cordycord]

You may need this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories_Automotive-Tools__PROFESSIONAL-BRAKE-FUEL-LINE-TUBE-TUBING-BENDER-TOOL_W0QQitemZ330312289827QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20Acce ssoriesQQadiZ2871QQddiZ2811QQadnZAutomotiveQ20Tool sQQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Automotive_Tools?hash=i tem330312289827&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A1171|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318

[Steve Jarvis]

I assume the braking system was already installed.

I guess you get the master cylinder/pedal assembly and the brake calipers are the only thing that is installed by RCR?

Later, Steve

[Chadillac]

I assume the braking system was already installed.

I guess you get the master cylinder/pedal assembly and the brake calipers are the only thing that is installed by RCR?

Later, Steve

Actually none of that stuff was installed. Although, it wasn't it's not too hard to install.

[Fran Hall RCR]

We assemble cars as rollers for shipping purposes only..as stated on the Superlite website.
We can build a full car or any level in between....

Nice work Chad.....

[B-T]

Fran, long time, no see! I want to thank you on this public forum for holding my motor swap and the tires in your shop while a buyer was being found. Gabe should get some good use out of the setup.
By the way, the Nemesis looks like a killer car!
Hope all is well, your business seems to be one of the few in the country that I know of that seems to be doing really great.
:thumb2:
BT

[Fran Hall RCR]

My pleasure Bill...glad its going to a good home..

Just got back from Amelia Island...great event ...did you go???

[B-T]

No Amelia island for me. I do Cavallino (since it is right in my area), and a few other local shows in the winter. I'm heading to the Appalachian mountains in a few weeks for some fun driving. If you are ever interested in going to Cavallino let me know. We have a guest room you can use.
End of hijack!
:wave:
BT

[Steve Jarvis]

Fran,

Don't get me wrong. I'm actually impressed with the level of assembly the RCR customer gets with the SLR. I guess you built high expectations with all the suspension and steering gear in place. :)

Compare that to a FFR Cobra where it is just box after box of parts.

Later, Steve

[Chadillac]

Some more updates...

Here's the side pods almost ready for paint. They still need to be sanded down, bondo'd, primered, etc... but you can see the basic shape.

If the side pod looks like it's on crooked, it's because it is. I didn't bother to bolt it up because they're going back out on Thursday. It's just resting on a box.

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/updates001.jpg

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/updates003.jpg

For those who were complaning about the wiring...

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/updates004.jpg

And the gas pedal. Those of you that are on ffcobra.com a lot, may recognize it. I still have to get a throttle cable and some springs. It has an adjustable stop and can slide up and down.

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/updates005.jpg

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/updates006.jpg

[Chadillac]

I'm having second thoughts about this all metal container around my battery. Maybe that wasn't the smartest idea.

[Gage]

A waterproof plastic box might be in order.

P.S. I really like the wire cover you rigged up. I'm sure I'll need to do something similar.

[Gage]

This one reminds me of your car.

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM-G1230-K&N=700+115&autoview=sku
Also:
http://performanceparts.com/part.php?partID=429137

[Gage]

I'm also wondering if something like this might be practical for putting the ECU in and then mounting. Waterproof, crush proof, etc. Looks sharp too:

http://www.pelican.com/cases_detail.php?Case=1080CC

[wgknestrick]

I'm having second thoughts about this all metal container around my battery. Maybe that wasn't the smartest idea.

Just powder coat it with a textured powder. That should insulate it well enough.

[Chadillac]

Thanks for the ideas guys. I absoloutely love the look of the billet aluminum case, but I finally slipped with the wrench last night and now I've got a little black spot on the aluminum and melted part of my wrench. I knew it was going to happen sooner or later.

The local auto-x rules say that if the battery is in the cockpit it needs to be completely sealed. So it looks like I'm going to have to swap it out anyways.

[devilman2075]

considering you've been on this build for about a year, what are your main hold ups? it seems like youve been more waiting on parts than anything else?

are these kits being supplied with everything as of now or are they still in a backorder process ?

id really like to see a quality build thread but everyone seems to be hitting roadblocks that seem to be getting worked out for everyone else down the line

i hope i'll be able to fund this project within the next year which is realistic in my eyes, within that time i'll be anxiously piecing ideas and parts and everything running through my mind but i hope to have a basic idea of whats gonna for sure need to be done for example with the shifter issues and anything like that

[Gage]

Chad may be much like myself. He isn't an car builder by profession. Then he has a new baby, a wife, work, and two dozen other responsibilities that demand time and attention. It takes time to figure some things out. He also had done some unique modifications to his kit. But he'll answer for himself... =0)

[devilman2075]

well im in no way doubting you guys...no one here is gonna be the most mechanically inclined and technically inclined...i know i got the option that ill be able to machine almost anything i may need when i get around to funding this project but im just trying to figure out the basics

im more worried about the few kinks for example the shifter which i actually believe will be the main problem mechanically then onto the lines of wiring some components and adding certain components currently not supplied...i never expect someone to buy the kit and be done the next week but are we to the point where if i ordered the kit am i going to be supplied with everything promised at the same time or will i be waiting for different parts over 6 months when id put a realistic build time of under 6 months rather than wait time

id like to here wat people are gonna do about windshield if their state requires it...i read a guy with an atom in pa got away with alot by registering as a special constructed vehicle which is the route i would go for the slr im hoping i wont need that crap but i do got plans for a custom roll cage with fully enclosed and removable body panels for rain driving

[aloysius]

...what are your main hold ups?...

I would have to say that waiting for parts is the biggest impediment to timely completion of these projects. Another problem might be the under development of the turbo encabulator and it's incumbent misdirection of allocated effort. See this for further elucidation:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Turbo-Encabulator-Video_641917.htm

[devilman2075]

Yea I figured the part problem seemed to be the biggest deterrent...is this an ongoing problem or are the current kits being supplied with all necessary parts? I have nothing against rcr but as most people if I order a kit I'm gonna want all necessary parts to be there when I. Assume delivery but that's my mindset, id wanna be able to throw a few days into the project and get as far along as possible not get so far and wait for something else to be available so basically these kits have been available for about a year and initial customers are still receiving or waiting on parts supposed to be supplied with the kit?

[Gage]

We might make a seperate thread on this so Chad can use this space to give us updates on his project. =) Great video Jim.

[Chadillac]

considering you've been on this build for about a year, what are your main hold ups? it seems like youve been more waiting on parts than anything else?

are these kits being supplied with everything as of now or are they still in a backorder process ?



I've got all the parts that are supplied with the kit and have had them for quite some time. There are just a few more things that I have to purchase to finish my car (fuel pump, FPR, fuel lines, muffler). I already had a fuel pump and FPR, but they didn't work. So there's been a few snags. The latest snag is trying to fix all the leaks in my brake and clutch lines. But mostly I've just been taking my time. Like Gage said, working full-time, going to school at night and then having 2 kids under the age of 2 really takes up your time. I'm also not a mechanic, so I've had to learn a lot along the way.

I look at the project as a toy and work on it when time allows.

As far as I know, Fran has really cut down the lead time since I ordered my SL-R. If someone had the money to do this all at once, and already had the knowledge to put one of these together, I could see someone busting one out very quickly.

[devilman2075]

well thats good to hear for both of you, i envy both of you guys, your laying the road for us followers who have future plans with an sl-r...i can understand the tough schedule im actually lookin to pick up a second job just to fund my project by this coming winter but thats another story

hopefully by the time i get around to mine someone will have a good basic of how to take the kit and have a finished product if not ill document my build thoroughly and document everything involved

[Chadillac]

My hood is finished!!! And it looks fabulous! It was sprayed this morning so I'll have to pick it up later in the afternoon. I'll make sure and take pictures of it tonight.

I used a GM stock black color off of a 1982 Pontiac Trans Am code number 19. (I'm writing it down here so I don't forget).

If it's not raining tomorrow I'll also be taking it to a car show. We live across the street from the High School that painted my hood and since I can just push the car there I've decided to enter. I'll let you guys know how it goes.

[Chadillac]

I'll be sure to take some more pictures of the car tomorrow at the car show. The side pods still need a bit of work, I'm not sure when they'll be finally done.

[Pagester]

ya know what I call that....



sweet

[Gage]

Wow Chad. That does look incredible!

[Chadillac]

Here's some pictures from today's local car show. There were about 80 cars there, quite impressive by Idaho standards. I didn't win anything, but it was fun.

They put me in the "new car" category against about 12-15 other cars. Most all of them were stock besides a LT1 swapped 80's Trans Am and a G35 with a sound system. One guy from New York just bought three brand new Dodge Challengers and entered all three. He ended up taking home 1st and 2nd place. I'll admit I was a little frustrated about that.

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/videos007.jpg

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/videos008.jpg

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/videos006.jpg

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj378/cf233/videos004.jpg

Overall, everyone was pretty impressed with the car. I got a lot of comments about it being a go-kart, or if it was street legal. Or they would come up and say "I bet that's fast," or "that looks fun." And all the little kids loved it!

My favorite comments were:

"This car is the AWESOMEST!" - 6 year old

"I'm so sick of seeing Camaros and Mustangs, it's finally good to see something different."

"Everytime I look over here, someone's taking pictures of your car!"

I'm probably not going to take the car to a lot of car shows, but it was fun to show it off a little bit.

[Gage]

Chad, Your car looks great. I wish I could have been there gawking and taking pictures too.

[B-T]

I don't understand someone bringing a few new cars and winning trophies for that. Your car is really looking good, get it ready for the summer!!!
BT