Other Engines

[dwmtl1000s]

I keep hearing how nice the k20 is but that some parts have yet to come around since it is rather new. What about the 1.8L integra GSR and such, they must have a huge following and rather cheap parts?

Its just an idea and I am sure it has been talked about and I am just missing it!

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[Chadillac]

I looked at both the B18 GSR and type-R engine before I decided to go with the K20A. From what I found the GSR goes for around $3000 for engine, tranny, ecu... and the type-r goes for around $4000.

For $4000 you can go ahead and just get the K20A2 which many people consider to be much better than the B18. The K20A2 cost as much as a B18-R and has the same horsepower and more torque. Plus, if you go with a b-series you may have to pay Fran more for making custom mounts.

I think the B series are a great choice, however I think the K series are just a better "bang for your buck." The K series as well has a large following and I was suprised for how many aftermarket parts there are for this engine.

I'm sure StatGSR and others on the forum know much more than me on these engines and can help you choose.

[Karlo]

I liken the Honda B series to the Chev 350. The next generation Honda K series was an improvement and so was the LS1 Series.

The B engine rotates opposite, I think counter clockwise. Which is kinda different.

I have also done the research and my money would be on the K. The higher HP Bs are only 1k cheaper.

[Craig – Absolute PACE]

Don't the non-VTEC B Series run lower compression. Might be handy if you want to boost. :D

My vote is for the K series, just wish Aus emissions compliant K20a & K24A were cheaper here.

[dwmtl1000s]

Wow thanks for the repleys, the chevy comparison was perfect.

Hey karlos any specs on what I think is the k20/k24 combo? I think you are talking about the k24block and k20 head, Right? (hp/tq)

I called around today (twin cites, MN) and was told the k20's are hard to find local. The guy said they go the minute they come in. I never would of thought they were that popular!

[Karlo]

Hey karlos any specs on what I think is the k20/k24 combo? I think you are talking about the k24block and k20 head, Right? (hp/tq)

I called around today (twin cites, MN) and was told the k20's are hard to find local. The guy said they go the minute they come in. I never would of thought they were that popular!

This Article talks about the HP/TQ gains K20/K24.

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0406scc_shortblock_vtech_cylinder_head/index.html

I have a line on 2 K20a see below

http://www.exocars.net/showpost.php?p=505&postcount=2

[Gage]

The B series is a great power plant. The K is better. Let your budget be the guide. I saved a little more and sprang for the K. Next on my list, Order a transmission.

[dwmtl1000s]

Since this thread is about different engines I also want to bring up an engine that I haven't heard a thing about and thats the K23A1!

[edit] K23A1
Turbocharged
Found in:
2007/2008 Acura RDX
Displacement: 2300 cc (acura.com)
Compression: 8.8:1 (acura.com)
Power: 240 hp :cool3:(179 kW) @ 6000 rpm (SAE net)
Torque: 260 lb·ft :thumb2:(353 N·m) @ 4500 rpm (SAE net)
Redline: 6800 rpm :shurg:(acura.com)
Bore: 86 mm
Stroke: 99 mm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_K_engine#K20_engine

[Karlo]

The only issue with this setup would be the transmission. Do not know if the a K20a trans or the like would mate up to the K23A1? Most of the trans are Auto.

[Gage]

Once I pick an egine I go through this questioning process?

How does the power output per liter, quality, and technology, compare to other engines?

How easy is it to tune? Is there a very experienced tuner and software/hardware that are affordable and easy to access for ME.

What is the transmission like? Very few people in my opinion every realize how much the merit of the transmission will effect the overall driving experience. Strength, smoothness of shifting, LSD availability, etc.



Since this thread is about different engines I also want to bring up an engine that I haven't heard a thing about and thats the K23A1!

[edit] K23A1
Turbocharged
Found in:
2007/2008 Acura RDX
Displacement: 2300 cc (acura.com)
Compression: 8.8:1 (acura.com)
Power: 240 hp :cool3:(179 kW) @ 6000 rpm (SAE net)
Torque: 260 lb·ft :thumb2:(353 N·m) @ 4500 rpm (SAE net)
Redline: 6800 rpm :shurg:(acura.com)
Bore: 86 mm
Stroke: 99 mm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_K_engine#K20_engine

[aloysius]

This little Faibanks-Morse beauty has all the torque you'll ever need. There are a couple of problems that I can see however. Feeding it might be an issue what with the price of diesel these days. The other problem is that it takes lots of 150 psi of compressed air to start it.

[roadrage]

wow that little baby looks good. what do you think it would be like out of the hole and how about cornering? may need outriggers.:coolnana:

[Conquest351]

I've been wondering why noone has gotten the Acura RDX turbo engine. Looks like a killer powerplant. If the std. transmission bolts up, you may have a winner. Is it an all aluminum engine? I'm pretty sure it is as that's what most Honda engines are now adays.

[Gage]

Someone asked the same question one page back in this thread.

How are you going to tune it? Who is going to tune it?
What are the transmission options? Etc.

[Chadillac]

From what I've read the K23A1 will not bolt up to ANY of the FWD k-series transmissions. I've heard some rumors though that it might bolt up to the accord's V6 transmission. That would be a killer engine in the SL-R.

[dwmtl1000s]

The NEW 2L turbo engine looks pretty cool.

One turbo compressor
- 1,998 cc 2.0 liters in-line 4 front engine with 86.0 mm bore, 86.0 mm stroke, 9.2 compression ratio, double overhead cam, variable valve timing/camshaft and four valves per cylinder engine code
- Unleaded fuel 87
- Multi-point injection fuel system
- 13.0 gallon main unleaded fuel tank 10.8
- Power: 194 kW , 260 HP SAE @ 5,300 rpm; 260 ft lb , 351 Nm @ 2,000 rpm

[Karlo]

The NEW 2L turbo engine looks pretty cool.

One turbo compressor
- 1,998 cc 2.0 liters in-line 4 front engine with 86.0 mm bore, 86.0 mm stroke, 9.2 compression ratio, double overhead cam, variable valve timing/camshaft and four valves per cylinder engine code
- Unleaded fuel 87
- Multi-point injection fuel system
- 13.0 gallon main unleaded fuel tank 10.8
- Power: 194 kW , 260 HP SAE @ 5,300 rpm; 260 ft lb , 351 Nm @ 2,000 rpm


Yeh the LNF should be more reliable supply vs the Supercharged version.

[dwmtl1000s]

Anyone ever thought about a VW VR6 of either 2.8L or 3.2L? They use what they call a narrow angly V6 which is narrow enough for a single head, so maybe it wouldn't be impossible to fit. You could then have an engine with greater torque and a 6-speed. There are also a few forced induction options floating around. It may not be the cheapest option but it would be cool and sound great!

[TypeOne]

Once I pick an egine I go through this questioning process?

How does the power output per liter, quality, and technology, compare to other engines?

How easy is it to tune? Is there a very experienced tuner and software/hardware that are affordable and easy to access for ME.

What is the transmission like? Very few people in my opinion every realize how much the merit of the transmission will effect the overall driving experience. Strength, smoothness of shifting, LSD availability, etc.

There are a few problems with the K23A.. most of which you have already pointed out.

1. There is not aftermarket ECU that will control the engine and it's functions. Since it has an immoblizer, the factory ECU is useless.

2. The block, although remained a K series, was cast completely different that any other engine. It has very few interchangeable parts.

3. The transmissions from other K series engine do not bolt up. I haven't seen anyone find any other solution to this problem..

It would be a good choice, if it were as easy to swap as say the K20A2. All of the K series engines are very popular and do not come cheap. The base versions K20A3 are somewhat duds in the power dept though.

If you want a bang for your buck setup, and don't mind searching for parts, then I will suggest a K24A1 (from the Honda CRV) with a Type S (K20A2) transmission. These long blocks can be found for around $500-750 and are very stout. Take the extra cash and buy a bolt on turbo kit, turbo, manifold, injectors, KPRO ect ect and you will have one serious power making setup.

Similar setups like this have netted over 260whp with more than 250lblbtrq. All for about the complete cost of say a K20A Type R ($5500-$6500)

If you want to make even MORE power, swap the cylinder head from the K20A2 onto the K24A1 block add the turbo and you have the potential to make over 300whp and 260+lb trq.

I built a similar setup in a 93 Honda Civic, here were the specs:

K24A2 (TSX Block, slightly higher compression than the A1)
- Stock internals
K20A2 Head
- Stock cams and valvetrain
Bolt on GReddy EP3 turbo kit (boost 8.9psi, spike to 11)
KPRO
2.5" Down pipe
3" Exhaust
Clutch, Flywheel and Level 2.9 axles

It made 319whp and 300lb trq. :breakn:

The Hondata is super super easy to tune, and it actually comes with over 50 dyno tuned base maps, so you can get the car up and running before bringing it to the dyno.

There really aren't many down sides to the K platform, the only things that I can see would be:

1. Price
2. Non-LSD trannies

If anyone can think of anything else.. we can make a Pros and Cons thread.

-D

[rkrj]

Anyone ever thought about a VW VR6 of either 2.8L or 3.2L? They use what they call a narrow angly V6 which is narrow enough for a single head, so maybe it wouldn't be impossible to fit. You could then have an engine with greater torque and a 6-speed. There are also a few forced induction options floating around. It may not be the cheapest option but it would be cool and sound great!

I thought about this also.Just got a ride in a friends new r32.Very nice!

[acrtl1000s]

Just use your tls engine, these bikes are getting too old anyway, and you can't beat the boatloads of lowend torque. Lol.

[Reyke]

This little Faibanks-Morse beauty has all the torque you'll ever need. There are a couple of problems that I can see however. Feeding it might be an issue what with the price of diesel these days. The other problem is that it takes lots of 150 psi of compressed air to start it.

LMAO I work for Fairbanks Morse and that engine is in the museum we have in Beloit, Wisconsin. Funny thing is we have engines that were designed in the 1930's and they are still in use today but that engine you have there lol I'll have to ask the old guys what it is, too funny.