Marty's Mako - Suby powered TR-42, Chassis #004

[martkat]

The build has begun! :woohoo:

Fund transfer has been ordered, check and order form will be sent to Bill in a few days.

Ordered the following from Discounttires.com, being sent to Danny's shop in Lexington -


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2ea XXR 522 17 x 8 (+48) Flat Black
2ea XXR 522 17 x 9 (+42) Flat Black

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2ea Nitto NT-555 Extreme ZR 235/45-17
2ea Nitto NT-555 Extreme ZR 255/40-17

[Karlo]

You move fast, it only took 18 days for you to make a decision.

You will not be disappointed :) Danny and Bill are straight shooters:pirate:

What are your specs??

[martkat]

Specs are -

EJ25 motor from WRX - 300+hp turbo (emission legal)

5 speed from WRX

Standard TR-42 kit
(wheel/tire delete)
(added as follows)
Powdercoat
Floor install
Windshield
Stereo bracket
Speaker mounts
Parking brake
Cup holder / 12V outlet (Danny insisted)

Color scheme will be green and black

[Karlo]

Cup holder / 12V outlet? Have you seen body pics?

[martkat]

Gotta have a spot for the Red Bull and power for the Valentine One / GPS

I've not seen anything on the body other than the green renderings in the drawings.

[Karlo]

Delivery Date?

[martkat]

Not sure really, but I don't expect it in 2010

[martkat]

Deposit sent to Bill today! :clap:

[B-T]

Yeah!

These Suby powered cars should be really fast. Danny and I have been going back and forth with the body design ideas. It should be micked up in foam this weekend so everyone can get a good idea of what the car will look like.

:)
BT

[Karlo]

What is your prediction for 0-60 time?

[martkat]

1st gear - depends on which rear ratio I have
2nd gear - my rear will fill my depends

[pook]

What is your prediction for 0-60 time?

before or after the tires stop spinning?:D
PooK

[Karlo]

I think 3 sec range + - with your 17 x 9 rear wheels

[martkat]

My rear tire diam = 25.1" on the 255/40-17

Here are the possible ratios from WRX 5-speed trans we're searching for:

3.454 / 1.947 / 1.366 / 0.972 / 0.738 (either 3.70 or 3.90 final drive)

3.454 / 2.062 / 1.448 / 0.880 / 0.780 (3.90 final drive)

Not sure what that will all compute on 0-60, but it'll be pretty darn quick

[martkat]

Bill/Danny -

I was searching radiator options and wanted to know the dimensions for the possible locations.

I know you are thinking front mount (possibly laid back like the vette?) and/or locations in the trapezoid spots outboard of the seats.

Even though you're working on these details for us water cooled guys, I thought I'd do some searching too.

Thanks,
Marty

[B-T]

The size has to be verified to fit around the engine someplace, but these appear to be pretty good at an excellent price:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/96-97-98-00-HONDA-CIVIC-ALUMINUM-RACING-RADIATOR-FAN-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c0b8e1cdcQQitemZ12045 2947164QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries
To me the key is to use parts for a mass market car that has lots of aftermarket support so that you can take advantage of the better pricing for mass produced items.

When we make the V8 version of the TR-42 I plan on having a pair of these exact radiators. Zoom Zoom (or maybe Boom Boom)!

:D
BT

[martkat]

Dang! $160 for two radiators, two fans AND shipping, now that's a deal.

If there's room back there for these two near those trapezoids, all it would take is a little bit of duct/scoop work to capture the air and probably an aluminum fan shroud to maximize the air movement through the entire fin area.

I know the V8's run hot (I've had many) but a Suby spooled to 300hp (maybe even 400hp) gets pretty hot too! :electricchair:

Maybe I should just plan to run those two in my build if there's adequate room (and Danny can properly mount, duct and shroud).

Let me know

[pook]

Ducting into the trapezoids is already underway via scoops in the side pods in anticipation of rads and or intercoolers mounted there.:thumb2:
They will be forced air...trust me:D
PooK

[martkat]

Cool - literally

[Karlo]

??????????? pics?

[pook]

Cant do it yet Karlo, I'm knee deep in foam but its not to a point that I think anyone would "get" where its headed..Its not secret it's just not show-able yet.
I hope to get the side pod done enough to get feedback by the weekend, I'm cutting both sides in the off chance you guys like it and if not...I'll do it again till we get it right!
I really want this to be cool and functional!!! so I'm working through duct sizes, climb over issues, mounting, ease of lay-up, etc...

PooK

[B-T]

Dang! $160 for two radiators, two fans AND shipping, now that's a deal.
...

It is my job tolook for the deals out there. We could probably get some custom radiators fabbed up for about $350 each, and fans at around $40 each, but then the total cost would be around $850-900 with shipping. We can realize big savings with no dropoff in performance as long as we keep our eyes open for these type of deals.

If you want to get fancy the radiators from a Ferrari 348 would probably work, but they are about $1200 each, and another $900 each for the fan / shroud, so about $4200 for a pair! My friend was changing the radiator juice on his 348 and the drain plug broke off on the left side. After realizing the cost of a newpart we Macgyver'd a solution using a bolts and some RTV. Four years later, all is well.
:)
BT

[martkat]

Bill - Can you wave your majic search wand and find a deal on a single front mount radiator/fan? Danny doesn't think the 16.5 x 14 x 2 will work in the rear trapezoids due to space limitations.

[pook]

Thank you AUGIE!

On the extra rads and intercooler thing the only thing I ask is that we get together and pick something that we all agree on so I don't have to keep changing it.

BTW will you suby guys be using the stock shifter? If so Ill make mounts for that also if someone ships me one.

Same for the ecotec.

PooK

[martkat]

If it were my car, I would keep the front rad just smaller, add a small side rad.
Fill the other side with this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250700596305&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

or this shape (don't know about the company) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110457081203&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

OR I could make mounts to lay one over the engine like the 930 does and build you liquid cooled boys a scoop between the roll bars like the pic below (Picture the scoop upside down like a V) and you could run an oil cooler on the other side?

THE WORLD IS YOUR OYSTER just tell me what you want:thumb2:

PooK

Since all turbo Subaru's come with a factory top mount intercooler (and there are top mount aftermarket intercoolers too) the least expensive route may be to keep the factory designed intercooler layout and just have you build us a cool looking "between the roll bars" intake scoop.

Then, do you think there would be enough room for two smaller rear mount radiators?

Or, would it still be best to do a larger front and smaller rear combo?

Or what about this -

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JEEP-CHEROKEE-ALL-ALUMINUM-RADIATOR-87-1988-1989-1990-/180250627173?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item29f7c64c65

Think you could mount this in front of the engine and duct the air from the side pods to it? It's 31 x 11 = 341 which is more than enough surface area.

[martkat]

Thank you AUGIE!

On the extra rads and intercooler thing the only thing I ask is that we get together and pick something that we all agree on so I don't have to keep changing it.

BTW will you suby guys be using the stock shifter? If so Ill make mounts for that also if someone ships me one.

Same for the ecotec.

PooK

I'm all for finding a solution that's good for all and making that the standard Suby radiator/intercooler system offering.

On the shifter, I can get you a stock shifter but I'll need you to set up the shifter linkage.

Or, what can you do about copying this design -

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http://cableshift.com/Subaru/subaru%20page.html

[thebionicman]

How much room are we looking at? And in what locations? We are at a chicken or egg situation.

I am not used to being asked, usually I just stuff aftermarket equipment in if it fits or I get the BFH out :)

[pook]

I will get measurements tomorrow.
I know you guy's can wing it and get these things installed, I just want the car to have a good fit and finish.

In the mean time, I did get the other pod/rocker built and started on the tunnel cover (WITH CUP HOLDERS) and started the hood.:thumb2:
So far I Like it a LOT! (Hope BT does when he gets back or we'll have to start all over:()
PooK

[pook]

, what can you do about copying this design -


I'm sure I could but given the parts (Looks like it includes the shifter and box that makes it all work?) and time spent getting it right, I'm not sure it wouldnt be cheaper to get theirs...How much is it again?

PooK

[martkat]

I'm sure I could but given the parts (Looks like it includes the shifter and box that makes it all work?) and time spent getting it right, I'm not sure it wouldnt be cheaper to get theirs...How much is it again?

PooK

They want $600

[pook]

Are they the only game in town? just wondering because of the popularity of the suby transplant?

BTW that was a stupid question about using the stock shifter....Its shaft shift! sometimes I type first and think second:(

I know on my 4age20v I stressed for weeks and even designed a reverse cable system only to find out all I needed was an MR2 shifter...duh!
PooK

[thebionicman]

MR2 shifter, I think some of the 90s Honda's will work as well. Most of the teeners running Subaru drivetrains all have done there own linkage.

[martkat]

MR2 shifter, I think some of the 90s Honda's will work as well. Most of the teeners running Subaru drivetrains all have done there own linkage.

I know some have bought various parts from McMaster Carr and created their own solution but without a set of detailed pictures with written instructions I may as well be working with toothpics and rubber bands. FYI = I have little to no fab skills.

I had searched for a cable shift solution when I was researching my sand rail project and the $600 kit was all I could find. I found other cable kits (Brandwood cable shift) but this was for a VW trans, not Subaru.

If the MR2 or 90's Honda shifter will work as you suggested, I'd be willing to pay Danny to create the cable linkage. But, if it's too much of a hassle or not going to save $$ then I guess I'll just have to pony up the $600 for the cableshift.com setup and get it to Danny so he can work it into my build.

Any future TR-42 build (beyond #002 and #004) using the Suby engine/trans will need to have a solution for their shifter and linkage. It would be nice for MMW to have a solution or suggestion for this area, even if it comes down to saying the best option for those who don't/can't DIY should use the $600 cableshift.com option.

[jpnovak]

FYI I am using a Nissan Versa shifter for my WRX powered 914. I also fabbed my own AWD to 2WD lockout and cover plate. The shift linkage is connected via some push-pull (Morse) cables. I sourced mine from a boat for $5 each. The transmission connection is simple. You have a cable support/end bracket mounted on the side of the trasmission to support two cables. One is connected to the F/R cable and the shift select shaft. The other is connected from the side of the transmission and the L/R cable. Then you need a small lever arm off the end of the shift select shaft connected to the L/R cable. Each shifter is different but you must measure the cable throw and then use some geometry to calculate how long of a lever you need to travel an arc that is equal to the L/R cable throw. A shorter lever will reduce the shifter travel.

[pook]

FYI I am using a Nissan Versa shifter for my WRX powered 914. I also fabbed my own AWD to 2WD lockout and cover plate. The shift linkage is connected via some push-pull (Morse) cables. .

Yeah but how much $$ to make a few...:D
PooK

[Karlo]

Pictures of the shifting linkage?

[pook]

Marty, 235's and 255's on matte black XXR's are in, is that correct?
VERY nice choice!! What a difference a few mm's make:thumb2:
PooK

[martkat]

Correct; pics?

[pook]

Pics.
PooK

[martkat]

Pics.
PooK

Cool, thanks

[Karlo]

Marty

Your engine guy, does he have other packages to browse ie website?

[thebionicman]

Marty you shouldn't have to run an piggyback since the new Subaru ECU's are programmable.

[martkat]

Marty

Your engine guy, does he have other packages to browse ie website?

Karlo,

Brandon is my contact at All Pro Subaru (allprosubaru.com) in Alpharetta, GA, he was a Subaru dealer service tech for six years before opening his own performance shop. Very well known for Suby motor swaps and upgrades.

Top Speed Sales (also in Alpharetta, GA) is well known for performance work as well and they are in the same complex and will be setting my MAPS.

Neither really have packages for motor offerings. They just do the work based upon what you want. Top Speed also has the chassis dyno.

[martkat]

Marty you shouldn't have to run an piggyback since the new Subaru ECU's are programmable.

I wasn't sure just how far I wanted to go so I was just making sure I had room. I know that several mfg's make the piggybacks for Suby's. My Suby motor guy will probably tell me the same, that I don't need one.

But, what if I get a wild hair and want 400-500 hp :twisted:, then I may need it, not sure.

I've been known to get that way on my builds at times. My last crazy beast was a 69 Camaro with a 638 BBC, fuel injected, 6spd, pump gas and almost 1000hp. Had to sell it before it killed me!

[martkat]

Danny -

Next Tue/Wed I'll be in your area calling on UKY and EKU.

If I were to stop in, will you be at your Lexington job or the Richmond shop?

Thanks,
Marty

[pook]

Hey Marty,
Ill be in Lex but If you want to stop in and chat that would be great!
PooK

[martkat]

Well, we'll see. I have a deal pending for the following -

06 WRX engine w/o turbo/intercooler (2.5 semi-closed block)

VF39 turbo (from Sti)

Godspeed TMIC (bigger than STi - same as Erik's)

5-spd WRX transmission w/STi-RA gear set
(special hardened gears - close ratio - 3.083/2.062/1.545/1.151/0.825//3.90 final drive) :lift:

The beastly brew has begun! :twisted:

[Karlo]

Pook you better put an extra cross member for these hp hungry MEN.. :grgrin:

[thebionicman]

Nice!!!!

[pook]

The beastly brew has begun! :twisted:

Its a good thing I'm living vicariously through you guys because I cant imagine the kind of power to weight you guys are after :clap:

Pook

[martkat]

Now that B-T has opened the door about color choices, I'll show you what I'm thinking for my TR-42.

Keep in mind that I have about zero design skills and even less experience with the photo paint program I used to modify the picture below -

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The first choice is to have a Candy Lime Green frame with a Satin Flat body. I'll probably have the recessed portion of the hood painted Candy Lime Green too, but all other body parts black.

The second idea is just the reverse of that, black frame, green body parts with black paint in the hood recess.

My first choice is based upon the desire to make the open side tubes and their curves stand out as much as possible by having them divide the black side pods and the black hood. The other thought is to have the frame be bright green to give the roll hoops more visibility, being the highest point on this extremely low car.

Maybe I could have Danny show me both color variations using whatever design program he uses.

Thoughts - Comments?

[B-T]

I like both paint schemes you describe (obviously). I am planning to go a little more detailed in my approach. The basic idea is to have a candy green frame with a deeper green and black body paint. I plan on using some dayglo on portions of the hoops or some striping to gain visibility. Don't forget you can always go with some contrasting fender color choice to make the car seem wider than it really is. Danny is not big on doing computer rendering, and he needs to keep busy fabricating!
:)
BT

[martkat]

Danny is not big on doing computer rendering, and he needs to keep busy fabricating!

Agreed. I was thinking more about his lag time while at work in Lexington, not during his most precious (to you/me) production time at MMW in Richmond.

Last Tuesday afternoon at his job in Lex, all you could hear were crickets. Unless you listened very carefully, then maybe you could hear the local hoodlums planning for their next copper line roof-top raid. :eek:

[pook]

It is true, It got cold here and the Porsche's will go up for the winter:(
And I will once again be forced to help repair all the other Euro-trash till spring:thumbdown2: or call in sick a LOT!

I like your colors!!! makes the tubes look like neon against the black!:thumb2:

PooK

[pook]

I did just a quick trace.
Down load Google sketch up.
I can send you the file in a email and you can use the paint bucket to have fun.
To save it so we can see it, use export 2D and save it as a jpeg or a bit.

PooK

[martkat]

WOW - thanks! That really makes me lean more towards a black frame and green body work. Much, much louder in that combo (at least to me).

On a related side note - the only thing that I think might complete the flow of the body work would be to add a small insert over the triangle sections that are fore and aft of the bottom of the outer roll hoop tubes. But again, that's just me and I'll probably be spending extra dough on that and many other areas that are beyond the basic package.

Personalizing these cars is what makes them so great, besides the fact that you guys are so willing to please.

I'll check out the Google sketch up too.

My engine lead is to be leak down tested Mon/Tue, so I'll know if this one is a go or not by then. My Suby guy thinks he'll be able to tune to about 300-350hp to the wheels with the VF39 turbo and Godspeed TMIC.

Danny, I was doing some research and it appears that some Suby's did have an oil cooler that ran from an adapter on the oil filter mount to the radiator, bringing the oil temps down to the water temps (and bringing the oil temps up to water temps when needed - sounds like good bearing insurance).

[pook]

Easy enough! and well worth it!
PooK

[pook]

something a bit more..Sinister?

PooK

[martkat]

Can anyone guess what makes this car so appealing?

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[Karlo]

The possibilities :thumb2:

[thebionicman]

It has everything you need :)

[pook]

The price?
PooK

[martkat]

Ding - Ding - Ding . . . all three contestants are correct Johnny!

A 70K mile 2006 WRX wagon, 100% stock before crashed, not even a K&N air filter. Leak down test performed.

Engine (less turbo/intercooler) with ECU and complete wiring harness for $2600.

WRX 5spd (from different car) with close ratio RA (race altered) gear set for $1500. I'll limp with a one legger at first cause a LSD is a little pricey.

I'll add the STI VF39 turbo, Godspeed TMIC, possibly even different up/down pipes and a custom Y-pipe adapter to hook to the two stainless mufflers that B-T sourced.

My tuner believes that 300-350hp at the wheels shouldn't be a problem.

[roadrunner76]

This company is selling a remanufactured Subaru engine for $1500 on ebay. Might be worth a look.

http://www.ssisubaruspecialists.com/

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.m748&item=320613865139&viewitem=&_trkparms=clkid%3D4926956284213054196

[martkat]

I've been researching the various sources for Subaru engines for well over a year now as my original plan was to build a Suby powered rail buggy, then it changed to this Suby powered TR-42.

I've looked at those factory type OEM rebuilders and talked with two of them, I spoke to several Ebay sellers, I spoke to Outfront Motorsports, I talked to Top Speed Sales.

For me and my application, the best place to get an engine with the matching ECU and harness and all the bits and pieces I'll need to pass the stringent Georgia emission requirements is to find a crashed car. That saves me a bunch of time not having to go piece together all the little stuff. Plus I have to have a copy of the car title from the donor engine otherwise there is zero chance of getting an assembled vehicle title in Georgia.

I have been watching the insurance auctions (like iaai) and have two dealers scanning them for me too.

I'll have Brandon at All Pro Subaru confirming the deal on this car Monday. The price of $2600 for a 2006 WRX motor with ECU and harness (and exhaust manifolds/up pipe/cat'd down pipe/tank filler neck and cap/fuel temp sensor/charcoal canister, etc, etc) is extremely good. This is a semi-closed deck 2.5 motor, which only began in 2006 for the WRX. Prior to 2006, WRX's were 2.0 motors.

I'm sure I could find lower prices, but what I'm looking for (and believe I've found) is the best deal for me.

Other guys that have more time or are more talented (which wouldn't be hard to find) could probably do good sourcing bits and pieces here and there.

Have you decided to do a TR-42 with a Suby motor or are you still weighing out the engine options?

[roadrunner76]

Still investigating. I'd like to go with a V8 but am not sure if that is going to work. Needless to say I'm very interested in Bomber's build. If the V8 doesn't pan out plan B might be to go the Subaru route. Hence the remanufacturers link.

[martkat]

Just ordered this

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Erik and I will have the exact same TMIC so that the intake scoop Danny creates will fit both #002 and #004

[martkat]

Deal completed - motor and trans will be coming soon.

But the BIG news is that I may be side stepping the stock Sti VF39 turbo that was originally planned and takin a hit for a big 'ol

HTA68

This thing is gonna smoke :coolnana:

I'm sure that will then lead me to the need for a LSD but I just will ignore that reality for now.

[pook]

Yes, yes it is!!
PooK

[pook]

FP 68HTA Turbocharger for DSM Flanged Vehicle which out flows both the Evo 16g and 18g wheels and allows for higher PR operation without increased compressor outlet temperatures like the existing 16g and 18g wheels. Mass flow is increased to a whopping 47lb/min which is several lb/min greater than either the Evo 16g or the 18g wheels are capable. Rapid spool and large torque numbers are guaranteed by the TD05H turbine section.

COOOL!:thumb2:

PooK

[martkat]

Well, now I'm looking into making sure my TR-42 isn't a one legger -

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Carbonetic’s world famous Carbon LSD provides linear and stable traction during acceleration and deceleration, and regardless of the road conditions and driving style, it yields the ideal line preferred by the driver. Carbonetic’s Carbon LSD are suitable for street, drifting, dirt trails, auto-cross (gymkhana) and rallies.

Carbonetic’s LSD is the solution for drivers experiencing problems including:
*The inability to hit an ideal clipping point around corners
*Early desired acceleration early in a corner turn
*Under steering or over steering going into a corner
*Short term durability and the rise in oil temperature
*Inconsistent lap times
*LSD noise
*Preservation of natural handling for the driver

CARBONETIC Carbon LSD Benefits:
*More than twice the differential lock strength of metal LSDs
*High carbon friction material increases the coefficient of friction
*Friction coefficient of metal plate in oil: 0.05 ~ 0.15
*Friction coefficient of carbon plate in oil: 0.25 ~ 0.35

[B-T]

I like the idea of an LSD in these cars just because they are so light. I have read contrasting opinions on the need for them, but they are ideal for driving out of a tight turn without much weight on your inside rear wheel.

I don't thik I would go for an LSD that uses a clutch setup just because I have read that they can be high maintenance sometimes. The helical gear LSD would be my preference given the choice.
:)
BT

[martkat]

Here's one from M Performance

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MF-TRS-05WRX
Subaru WRX/STi GC8 Helical LSD
$649.95

[B-T]

For me, that would be the winner (keep in mind I have lower aspirations than the typical Matrix guy).
Aspirations???
Get the pun?

:clap:
BT

[martkat]

See what you made me do -

as·pi·ra·tion (sp-rshn) KEY

NOUN:

Expulsion of breath in speech.
Linguistics
The pronunciation of a consonant with an aspirate.
A speech sound produced with an aspirate.
The act of breathing in; inhalation.
Medicine The process of removing fluids or gases from the body with a suction device.

A strong desire for high achievement.
An object of such desire; an ambition.

[martkat]

Here's another -

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Recommended for street & track use. This torque biasing limited slip differential provides smooth, consistent, and quiet operation. Sealed maintenance free operation with no special lubrication requirements. Improves traction at the front wheels allowing the driver to get on the power as early as possible out of a corner. Install kit includes stub axle set making it a direct swap for all early Subaru 5MT gearboxes.

RST-1903 Subaru Helical Front LSD $1201
RST-1903X Helical LSD Install Kit (Req'd up to '05) $95

ORDER REQUESTS:
sales@rallispec.com

TECHNICAL QUESTIONS:
tech@rallispec.com

GENERAL INQUIRIES:
rallispec@rallispec.com

[B-T]

See what you made me do -

as·pi·ra·tion (sp-rshn) KEY

NOUN:

Expulsion of breath in speech.
Linguistics
The pronunciation of a consonant with an aspirate.
A speech sound produced with an aspirate.
The act of breathing in; inhalation.
Medicine The process of removing fluids or gases from the body with a suction device.

A strong desire for high achievement.
An object of such desire; an ambition.

No, no, no... I meant like I am a non-turbo guy, normally aspired and all that...
:)
BT

[martkat]

I'm in Georgia, we're a little slower here. :wave:

Florida doesn't count as the south cause it's mostly transplants.

[B-T]

Florida is the south once you get north and west of Daytona. South Florida is just like NY / NJ. I gotta get out of here, although today was a nice day at the track. There were 3 Ferrari 458 Italias, 1 Ferrari FXX, 1 Ferrari Enzo, about 50 F430 / F430 Scuderias. I got to do some fun laps in the Ginetta, although they were only at about 80% of normal track speeds.

:)
BT

[martkat]

Here are some of the parts I've received in the last couple weeks

[thebionicman]

Lookin good.

[pook]

COOOOOL! I like shiny stuff!
PooK

[martkat]

Danny, here are the items I plan to bring to you on Monday, 12/13 -

MR2 shifter
Turbo downpipe
Mirrors
Oil cooler
Gas tank filler neck


Do you need any of these other items I have? -

Intercooler
Mufflers
Big Bag of Money $$$ :king:

Thanks, Marty

[martkat]

I met with Bill and Danny Monday, delivered some of my parts and got another look at the prototype frame.

The guys even held up some tubing to show some ideas of how the windshield might look. However it ends up, I trust their design and engineering ideas.

We also discussed the jigs for the frame at the rear of the car. Since the jigs are still being developed (read extended for the extra length of the Suby 5 spd vs the Porsche 5 spd), I asked if they could be extended another 3 inches or so to allow for the Suby 6 spd - they said YES!

So, now I'll probably sell my RA geared 5 spd and buy a 6 spd. The Suby 6 spd is stronger, has a better oiling system and already has a LSD. The only penalty is that it weighs about 80 pounds more. I'm not worried about the weight and the extra length of the frame will help with the transition from the down pipe to the mufflers.

Anyone in the market for a 02 WRX 5 spd with a RA gear set?

[Karlo]

Marty. 6 speed comes from what model?

[martkat]

04+ Impreza STI

[Gage]

That is a GREAT improvement!

[pook]

No problem at all Marty! Erik wanted the chassis extended so his shifter mech was inboard, so another inch or so is no big deal!
esp since you bought dinner! :thumb2:
PooK (will fab for food)

[martkat]

I just bought a six speed from a 2007 STI. Here are the specs -

1 - 3.636
2 - 2.235
3 - 1.521
4 - 1.137
5 - 0.971
6 - 0.756

- The final drive ratio is 3.9 (all 04-07 sti's use this final drive ratio)

- This transmission has an oil pump.

It will be shipped to Lex, but I will not permit it to be delivered to MMW by Pook's wife!!! :nervous:

[pook]

Ah this is gonna be sooooo cool Marty! You gonna be able to get up this way much during the "fitting"?
PooK

[B-T]

On my drive back I timed the distance from Richmond to Marty's town, and it was just around 5 hours, so he is right around the corner from you. I would make a monthly visit at least. I think you guys should discuss the work scenario during a visit so you can keep on welding / bending during a shop visit. That way Marty can spend a day seeing the master at work while chatting, and you can feel good about not stopping to chat (nobody wants to seem rude). Marty, I think you are going to like the finished windshield design.
:)
BT

[martkat]

Yes, I should be coming back to Richmond frequently as EKU looks like they will become a new McGard customer.

I'm with Bill on the "watch while you work" plan. I even felt a little funny last Monday when you guys stopped working while I was there; I do not want to stop any progress.

I briefly saw the picture of the windshield with the arched center support bar. Cool idea and I think it will blend perfectly with the shape of the car.

[pook]

The cool thing about the BT windshield is the mount system leaves open different window designs, short sport windscreens, roof style, all possible in the future.

Don't gotta feel funny Marty if you want to stop in and see your car you are welcome any time:thumb2:

When I build cages for the Porsche guy's I ask them to stop in to make sure they can reach the fire pull, or pull the window nets while belted in, etc...

PooK

[martkat]

Here are some interesting stats I calculated for my car using the 6 speed ratios, my final drive of 3.90 and my 25.1" diameter tires.

1st @ 6500 rpm = 34 mph

2nd @ 6500 rpm = 56 mph

3rd @ 6500 rpm = 82 mph

4th @ 6500 rpm = 109 mph

5th @ 6500 rpm = 128 mph

6th @ 6500 rpm = 165 mph

Looks like I'll have to start in 2nd to get my best 0-60 times.

[Karlo]

Marty what is the redline?

[martkat]

Redline is 6500 but the motor can safely spin to 7000 with ECU, fuel and turbo mods to deliver more performance.

I'll probably set the shift light at 6200 or so.

[pook]

Marty what is the redline?

Its the limit of an engines Revolutions Per Minute...but that's not important. What is is that you may not have to shift at all Marty in 0-60?

PooK

[pook]

Here is the length of Marty's 6 speed VS a Porsche 915. Really when you subtract the rear housing that gets removed its only a few inches longer because the shift shaft ends in about the same spot.
PooK

[martkat]

I must have missed this post as I was just about to ask if my trans had shown up yet. How cool!

[martkat]

Can anyone guess what this is and why on earth I may have shown you the picture? :twisted:^2

[B-T]

You are joining a marching band and that is your new Sousaphone?
:king:
BT

[martkat]

You are joining a marching band and that is your new Sousaphone?
:king:
BT

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[pook]

Turbo charged water bong?

PooK

[martkat]

Ok, this tells me a lot about each of your backgrounds; been both places myself.

The disclosure is that Moore Performance will be designing and crafting a complete twin scroll system for my engine. This includes a custom TMIC, Mitsubishi Evo twin scroll turbo, stainless equal length headers with twin up pipe and cat'd down pipe.

This is not a monster 500hp system, but rather a hybrid system that utilizes the benefits of the Mitsubishi twin scroll turbo, mounted in the stock Subaru location. Their kit installation on my car will also help to showcase their system for Subaru car owners.

The power output will be around 350+ whp, which is exactly where I wanted to be, but the real benefit is the quick spoolup and transient boost response.

[B-T]

So when you step on the skinny pedal on the right the car will go fast?
Sounds good!
:coolnana:
BT

[martkat]

Here is a little excerpt from an email response I received from Ryan at Moore Performance, the company that is working on a custom twin scroll turbo system for my TR-42. He has answered all of my questions so far, except one - JUST HOW SCARY FAST IS ALL THIS STUFF GOING TO MAKE MY CAR?!?

Is the FP white a twin scroll? It would produce what whp at 23psi?

After talking with our tuner, he felt that the FP White would be able to make a solid 400whp at around 23 psi on your motor with a good intercooler (like we plan to design).

What about a grocery list of items needed for my 06 WRX engine when the Evo turbo is finally decided upon. Like injectors, air/oil separator, boost controller and all else that will be required that I don't even know about.

I can help you out and get you some discounts on all of your items listed above and more. I'll talk with our tuner about injector size, but I think an 850cc-1000cc is plenty. AOS setups can vary and I'll give you a few examples to look at later today and a good 3 port boost control solenoid is always a nice option especially when using a factory ecu.

Also, I will be using the aftermarket oil cooler shown in the pic with my mufflers. It's a Mishimoto (sp?) and has some sort of sandwich plate adapter that attaches at the oil filter location. Hopefully this will all work with my 06 engine and your headers. I'll need this additional cooling due to my limitation in radiator size.

I just talked with one of our customers that is doing his own external oil cooler setup and we know exactly how to run the cooler with absolutely no issues!

Will you have any base maps for the Evo setup to get the thing running? I'm pretty sure TopSpeed could fine tune from there.

My tuner could certainly get you a start up map for the car that would be good for a little bit of boost but ultimately like you mentioned it would need fine tuned by a local shop like Top Speed.

[B-T]

850CC injector, WOW! You better plan on driving where the gas stations aren't too far apart.

Looks like we will have the two extremes of engine choices between the prototype and your car. Super simple / lower powered, and modern / high powered.

:)
BT

[thebionicman]

Wow Marty this thing is going to be wicked!

[thebionicman]

Marty,

I got a text on Monday that my cousin was in town getting his car tuned, so of course I had to go check it out. 08 WRX, aftermarket turbo, up and down pipe, cat back, intake, 1000cc injectors, big top mount intercooler. Tuned on E85 he was putting 375 torque and 365 hp to the wheels!!! Your car is going to be crazy!!!

Oh yeah and peak torque was at 3300 at 24 psi.

[martkat]

Wow, those are some great numbers! Any car that makes 300+whp is FUN!

Everyone always talks this and that but the truth comes out on the dyno!

I talked to Ryan Moore at Moore Performance yesterday and finalized my system. I'll be sending him a check this week. He's to call PooK this week so they can make sure everything works together.

I'll be having a custom, twin pass, TMIC made as part of the system, so the Godspeed TMIC I bought (like yours) will be passed on to my friend (he should be TR-42S #005, maybe?).

Ryan and their tuner said that they felt sure I'd be at 400whp, but honestly 350whp will be plenty, really. I'm only using 93 octane so 400whp may be a stretch, guess it depends on how cool we can get the intake charge and what it flows at 23psi or so.

[pook]

I spoke with Moore's Performance today Marty (Very nice guy and knows his stuff)
This thing is gonna be scary!!

PooK

[martkat]

Radiator is on it's way to Lex

[martkat]

As I continue to gather parts for my car I came across something that I think I'll be using as a heat shield on my rear firewall and center tunnel (radiator hoses are in the tunnel).

I've used Dynamat on several of my previous projects but with the TR-42 my rear firewall will be exposed for all to see. I was leaning towards the Lizard Skin spray on ceramic insulation until I found this Lava Mat stuff.

Heatshield Products makes a self-adhesive thermal barrier mat that can handle 1200 degree direct or 1800 degree radiant heat and has a carbon fiber look. It comes either 0.007 or 0.025 thick in various sized sheets.

It's about $150 for a 0.025 thick 36" x 48" self-adhesive mat and available here -

http://paceperformance.com/i-5136740-hsp781003-heat-shield-products-lava-mat-heavy-duty-version-36-x-47-coated-with-adhesive-withstands-1200-f-degree-heat-direct-or-1800-degree-f-intermittent.html

http://paceperformance.com/images/M15185539.gif

[pook]

THAT is coooool!

PooK

[Gage]

Agreed.

[armstrom]

have you found a kit to remove the rear output from the 6spd tranny? My understanding is that the 6spd used in the STi and Legacy GT does not yet have a conversion kit available due to the much more complex electronically controlled center differential.

[martkat]

Correct. In my searches I have yet to find a 2wd (fwd) conversion spool for the 6 speed as is available for the 5 speed. My Subaru contact, Brandon at All Pro Subaru, said that he could just weld up the center differential.

I have not looked at the 6 speed center differential, but it too should have an inner and an outer splined shaft that could be welded together since there is not a twin splined spool that could lock these two drives together.

That mystery and challenge should unfold soon for me.

If you're wanting one of these cars I'd email Bill directly at billtracy4@comcast.net

I know that I've pushed and pushed and have been told that the next TR-42 build after mine has been reserved for my best friend Chris (also here in the Atlanta area). We're just waiting for the announcement of the newly adjusted pricing so that the deposit can be gathered and sent to Bill.

It would be cool if you did actually build one of these cars as that would put FOUR TR-42's in relatively close distance to each other with two in FL and two in GA. Imagine us gathering for a weekend outing together somewhere - anywhere. That would be a sight!

[martkat]

Look what has arrived - Expected output on 93 octane should be right at 400whp with this twin scroll bad boy

[B-T]

WOW! That is going to pump big air in to that engine.
:coolnana:
BT

[0100]

Oh hell yeah!!! :run: I had a red on my evo. FP makes some sick turbos. White will be perfect for this car.

What are your plans with this car, street, drift, track, autox, or drag?

Can't wait till this is done. :thumb2:

[martkat]

I will use my car on the street and at autocrosses and some laps at Road Atlanta.

My current issue is my 2wd conversion for the 6 speed.

I spoke to an authorized PPG vendor today and was told that locking the center differential (DCCD) into fwd mode would eventually burn it up.

PPG makes a spool for the 6 speed but it sends the power to the car's rear differential, not the front output shafts and is mostly used for drift cars.

I emailed PPG directly today to see if they would help me with a spool for my car. A spool will be the proper way to convert the 6 speed to 2wd as it would lock together the inner and outer output splines at the tail of the transmission.

I know it can be done I just don't know who would be willing to do it for me.

[TheGnome]

Hey Marty,

If you're talking to PPG, about the 6-speed issue, it would probably be around the same amount of money for a gearset from PPG, and a nice front LSD for a 5-speed. I know the Sti tranny is a vastly superior unit as far as it being used in an AWD application, but I've personally NEVER seen a broken PPG gearset.

Have you tried getting in touch with Andrewtech Automotive yet? They really are awesome with Suby transmissions. Very knowledgeable as well.

Kevin

[martkat]

Andrewtech is the PPG vendor that gave me the info. I spoke to Sam yesterday, told him my deal, he then talked to Andrew and called me back with the news.

I had a RA geared 5 speed that I sold because of the cost to add a LSD.

I know it would have worked but I didn't want to sink $3500 into a 5 speed when I could get a 6 speed that already had a LSD and stronger gears for less money, plus one more gear!

Subarugears.com and Bremarautomotive.com make the 2wd spool for the 5 speed but neither currently have interests in making me a spool for the 6 speed.

I am determined to find someone and I know it can be done. If anyone has ideas as to who I might add to my search list, please speak up.

[B-T]

How about getting a local machine shop to make one custom? Maybe get the two internal parts that normally drive the axles in the transmission and have someone machine a sleeve that can be welded to lock them at the oputputs rather than the center diff?

If you give me the measurements I can draw it up in Autocad to give them a visual...
:)
BT

[martkat]

The 6 speed is in KY. Here is a picture of the 5 speed spool. The 6 speed spool would be similar, just made to fit the inner and outer splined output shafts. Danny?

http://www.bremarauto.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/lockingsleeve-259x300.jpg

[B-T]

These guys could probably do the job, and at a quantity of several you might get yours free by selling off the extras???
http://www.hayescouplings.com/index.php/products/misc
BT

[martkat]

Look what I found. Price is about $400

Here is the link to Possum Bourne Motorsports - http://www.possumbourne.co.nz/trans_diff_parts.html

http://www.possumbourne.co.nz/images/products/Center-Diff-locking-tube1.jpg

[Karlo]

Looks like they know Subaru's :old:

[0100]

Wow nice find!

[TheGnome]

Ha ha, yeah I don't know why I didn't mention Possum Bourne when we were discussing Andrewtech. They are hardcore rally guys and really know their Subys inside and out. Anything you get from them is going to be near bomb-proof. The Aussies and Kiwis are huge into Subaru. They do some crazy engineering, like the Sti 4-wheeler...that's a little too crazy even for me, ha ha.

[B-T]

Nice work Marty! I knew there had to be someone who could provide exactly what you need.

[B-T]

That looks like what you need! Glad you found someone who has already made this thing instead of having to 'invent' it yourself. BTW, your windshield glass is being cut today Marty, so besides some bent tubes, you have that going for ya! AS-1 stamp and all...
:)
BT

[martkat]

Look what I found. Price is about $400

Here is the link to Possum Bourne Motorsports - http://www.possumbourne.co.nz/trans_diff_parts.html

http://www.possumbourne.co.nz/images/products/Center-Diff-locking-tube1.jpg

Ordered today. 999NZ + 90 to ship

[jmarsa]

Ordered today. 999NZ + 90 to ship

One concern I've had is that the other products previously shown to convert to FWD are a spool which locks the left and right axles toghether. Does this act as a spool too?

--JMarsa

[martkat]

I'm not sure exactly how it works, but the kit comes with the pictured splined parts which allow you to choose your setup when installing; FWD or RWD or AWD

[martkat]

I am considering some gauges for my center console panel.

[jmarsa]

After reading up more on this, the "spool" just locks the input shaft and the shaft dri9ving the front dif together rather than lock the R & L axles like a drag racing style spool does. Here's more info:

http://www.subarugears.com/index_files/Page497.htm

http://www.subarugears.com/index_files/Instructions%20for%20fitting%20Subaspool%202WD%20l ocking%20spool.pdf

Nevertheless, the WRX front dif is not a LSD, although they are available.

--JMarsa

[TheGnome]

Marty, I'd go ahead and add an EGT gauge too. Definitely wouldn't hurt.

[armstrom]

EGT can only tell you so much. They can be useful but if I could only add one gage to a turbo car it would be a wide-band O2 sensor. nothing can kill a turbo engine faster than running lean.. well, running lean can kill any engine but with forced induction you're effective compression ratio is so high as are your intake air temps that detonation events can happen very easily. EGT can indirectly tell you if you're running lean or rich, (high EGT can equal running lean) however, too many other factors can impact EGT readings (retarted ignition timing, for example, since some of the combustion might take place in the exhaust runner if the timing is too retarded.) You don't have to leave the sensor in place all the time either. Just have a standard o2 sensor bung welded into your exhaust downpipe (pre cat if possible) and screw a plug in when you're not using it.

Now, running individual EGT sensors per cylinder, all located the same distance from the combustion chamber.. now you have some ability to balance the fuel flow to your cylinders assuming the ECU has per-cylinder fuel and ignition trimming.

Edit: Correction, if I could only add ONE gage it would be an accurate analog boost gage... but they're SO cheap that I would still dot he wideband O2 :) AEM makes a nice one for ~$200 that uses an $85 wideband sensor. Some systems use much more expensive sensors that can cost as much as the whole AEM system! The controller fits in the space of a standard round gage so installation should be easy.
-Matt

[pook]

Those are NICE!
Just make sure they flash, beep, call you on your cell, something....if a parameter is out of range.

At your HP to weight it ll be like trying to read a txt message on a roller coaster:run:

On my race car (long long ago:() I had a full compliment and found I would rather have had a bunch of warning lights:(

PooK

[martkat]

Ok, here you go. They also make a version that you can set to beep or change color (or both) when your desired limit is reached. Plus they offer optional warning lights that would plug into the back of each gauge to mount on the gauge or elsewhere.

http://prosportgauges.com/images/products/detail/GreenWhitePremiumBoost.jpg

http://prosportgauges.com/images/products/detail/GreenWhitePremiumOilPressure.jpg

http://prosportgauges.com/images/products/detail/GrennWhitePremiumWaterTemp.jpg

http://prosportgauges.com/images/products/detail/PremiumPeakGreenWhitewideband.jpg

http://prosportgauges.com/images/products/detail/GreenWhitePremiumEGT.jpg

http://prosportgauges.com/images/products/detail/externalwarninglight.jpg

http://prosportgauges.com/images/products/detail/Externalwarninglight375size.jpg

[martkat]

Brandon at All Pro Subaru has completed his initial stage of work on my engine (TGV deletes, air pump block off, etc) and will ship it to Ryan at Moore Performance. There, Ryan will set up the custom twin scroll turbo, intercooler, headers and a host of additional upgrades.

Within 3 weeks or so the complete engine package will be shipped to PooK for fitment into my chassis.

Progress is good on TR-42S #003

[thebionicman]

Marty I keep saying this, but wow that thing is going to be wicked! I forget are you tuning for E85? Its pretty readily available by me, not sure in your area.

[martkat]

No E85 close to me at all. But I do have 116 at a pump about 15 minutes from my house at only $8 a gallon.

[B-T]

No E85 close to me at all. But I do have 116 at a pump about 15 minutes from my house at only $8 a gallon.

Buy it up now! 93 might be pushing $5 by the end of summer. I can't wait to see how your car turns out. You MUST join us for our mountain drive in October. It is a five day weekend, arriving in the mountains Wednesday afternoon, and leaving Sunday AM. Guaranteed good times!

:D
BT

[martkat]

Engine shipped to Moore Performance today

[pook]

Good! cause the jigs built, a few tubes in (waiting on more large tube...still) and the new CNC cut parts are on the way (Its a good day)
This is truly going to be a MONSTER build:thumb2:
PooK

[martkat]

Here's what Ryan just posted on nasioc.com about my engine - :clap:

"The motor is getting working on right now and we have the intake manifold ready to have un-needed ports, cut, filled and smoothed as well as revising the wiring harness to reveal a smooth, finished look and hopefully a nice wire tuck in the process. We also have your turbo, and upper DP section mocked up on one of our shop headers...... Take a look. "

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_JHVaQCVPLlY/Tc_qBouw0TI/AAAAAAAAACI/vEMB9jCIvjc/s640/Adapter%20and%20startup%20045.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_JHVaQCVPLlY/Tc_pOG3M7GI/AAAAAAAAABg/y11HWb-RIK8/s640/Adapter%20and%20startup%20044.JPG

[pook]

Oh man Marty that looks GOOD!
Hey, I have to re-order some material Tues/Wed but had an idea...Lets do Stainless? wouldn't that be pretty against the black!!! and easy to keep clean.
???
PooK

[martkat]

My headers and exhaust system will be stainless but probably with a ceramic coating.

What on earth would you even consider doing in stainless, the floor pans and firewalls? How about the center dash or console? How about the hood and side pods?

Or maybe how about just a key ring?

[pook]

The tunnel
But your right it wouldnt match everything else...just thinking out loud....again
PooK

[B-T]

Stainless key ring sounds really good! I have a little plan for one way to make a cool matrix key ring. I'll make one up for me and if you want one let me know.
:)
BT

[pook]

Time to get this "Monster Mako" under way:clap:
PooK

[pook]

Cars four and five as well!! (Trying to learn to be more productive)
PooK

[martkat]

Parts that I'll be bringing to Danny later this month -

Prosport Air/Fuel, Boost and Oil Pressure gauges

Optima battery

2wd conversion kit for 6-speed

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww301/hipowernut/PartstoDanny6-2-11.jpg

[pook]

Cool!!! I love new toys!

PooK

[martkat]

Well, I have finally decided to let one of my other toys leave the stable or the snake pit may be a better analogy.

Pook, I'm counting on you as the primary person responsible for making my TR-42 an even more stunning piece.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330573769098&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

[pook]

WOW! Thats way to much pressure! I will "out do myself" on this build Marty:thumb2:

PooK

[thebionicman]

Almost had coffee coming out of my nose:

"Yes, you can call me the king of posers because that's really all I do with my cars."

Good luck on the sale of the Viper!

[martkat]

It has been true for the many, many cars I've had. I did however do some laps on Road Atlanta with my 68 Camaro a few years back.

This will change with my TR-42 as I plan to attempt some of the autocross events in my area. After I blow out all the cones I'll probably just end up standing next to my car, accepting compliments on how good it looks, not my driving abilities.

[thebionicman]

I haven't autocrossed in quite a few years but I have a feeling with the TR-42 it should be fun again since its so small.

Either way as long as you enjoy the car that's all that matters!

[martkat]

well, i have finally decided to let one of my other toys leave the stable or the snake pit may be a better analogy.

Pook, i'm counting on you as the primary person responsible for making my tr-42 an even more stunning piece.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=330573769098&sspagename=strk:meselx:it

sold!

[B-T]

Wow, that was quick. Congrats on the sale Marty!
:)
BT

[pook]

No joke! Hey Marty, since your packin all that toy money how about these?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320590682484&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
PooK

[pook]

Never mind....takes BIG diameter wheels I think stock was 18":(

[B-T]

The Solstice brakes are plenty big for these little cars. Maybe just paint the calipers or powdercoat them (if that can be done)...

I'll be taking some new static pics tomorrow of the complete prototype... Any particular details anyone needs / wants to see?

:)
BT

[thebionicman]

The Solstice brakes are plenty big for these little cars. Maybe just paint the calipers or powdercoat them (if that can be done)...

I'll be taking some new static pics tomorrow of the complete prototype... Any particular details anyone needs / wants to see?

:)
BT

I still need to order the Solstice braided lines. I am with you that I think these brakes will be more than good for the application. I want braided lines for track events, I have run into the rubber lines going spongy.

Pictures:
Brake lines, clutch line, throttle cable.

[martkat]

No joke! Hey Marty, since your packin all that toy money how about these?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320590682484&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
PooK

I hear ya. Way ahead on the spending agenda, as always.

Just bought two of these -

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2009-HONDA-TRX700XX-NEW-/160597703024?pt=ATVs&hash=item25645e7970

My buddy is driving to PA today and will have them back in Atlanta tomorrow. I said if he'd go get em I'd give one to him. See the perks of being my best friend?

[pook]

Not long now! any ETA on the motor so I can build the engine bay around that basket ball sized turbo:nervous:?

PooK

[martkat]

Just got off the phone w/Ryan and he thinks he can ship the engine by the end of next week. This would not include the down pipe and exhaust system.

I told him I thought it would be best to ship it all together as you will need to work around the exhaust designs as well.

If you can do some work with just the engine without the exhaust let me know and I will tell him to ship the engine and exhaust seperately.

[pook]

Really need the exhaust, That's were the clearance issues will come into play.
We should just wait and get the whole thing.....better safe than sorry on this puppy!
PooK

[Karlo]

Puppy I think it will be Tiger, excuse me a Great White Shark

[martkat]

Engine progress, should be on its way to PooK this week -

[pook]

:thumb2::thumb2::thumb2:
Are they going to pre install the clutch package for us?

Pook

[martkat]

Yep. Talked to Ryan last night and he'll be installing a new flywheel and clutch.

[Gage]

Looks great!

[pook]

ooooh looky what I just got in:clap:
Thats one LARGE Turbo my friend! U R Nutz!
PooK

[martkat]

F-I-N-A-L-L-Y

Now you can actually start working on my car. I know you will knock everyone's socks off with the plans we've discussed.

[pook]

Marty, Thanks for being patient with me and the bike thing, I just needed to show I'm good for my word and clear up any distractions so I can go full on.

OK lets do this puppy! I bought and installed a stud kit for the turbo (Bolts and turbos...not good) fitment is very good on the custom header so far.

Ive started tearing the trans down for the lock out kit as well, Hope to have them ready to lay in this weekend and get back on the chassis.

However I have found...(or not found) the flange tube adapter for the top of the turbo? went through all the boxes twice?

Press side, bad pic but its at the circle
PooK

[martkat]

No problem. I have had so, so many car projects take their alloted time so I fully expected this to be no different (even though it is so different from my previous builds).

I just emailed Ryan and asked him to call you.

I also just ordered this - it's being sent to Richmond (your house).

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41uud9wdDWL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

[pook]

Good thing we waited Marty, Much easier to solve now:thumb2:

PooK

[pook]

Hope to be final welding the chassis later this week Mr Marty:thumb2:
I cant believe this monster fits!

PooK

[badermatic]

Holy cow Batman! Nice fit! That puppy is going to fly.

[martkat]

Thanks for the update!

[pook]

No problem! I plan to finish the tunnel and roll bar braces today, Then she will be about ready for the rotisserie.
BTW I have a little Marty build page set up on my website. Ill add more as I go.

Badermatic, Yep she's a snug fit...but a fit it is!

PooK

[pook]

She comes out of the oven today to start getting the suspension and final welds Marty:thumb2:
Ill send you some pics
Pook

[martkat]

WooHoo - can't wait to see that special suspension!

You know, now that I'm not going to have a windshield that F1 style intercooler scoop between the roll hoops is ON!

[pook]

You know, now that I'm not going to have a windshield that F1 style intercooler scoop between the roll hoops is ON!

:thumb2::thumb2::thumb2:

PooK

[pook]

Welding is done as is most of the clean up.
The new suspension parts fit like a glove so far:thumb2:

PooK

[TheGnome]

Danny, the new suspension parts look great. I think I may need to stop down next weekend.

BTW: Marty...I got to play with the BEAST a little bit last weekend. You should start getting excited. :thumb2:

I'd love a ride when the car is complete. I'll beg if I have to, ha ha ha.

[martkat]

Danny that looks great! I love the custom touches you've added. Just where exactly does the coilover mount?

Start getting excited? I've been on varying degrees of pins and needles for over a year now ever since I sent in my initial deposit in Sept 2010. :yipee:

I just know that Danny has a LOT of one-off aspects facing him on my build . . . and those take T-I-M-E.

Let's see >

custom headlight housings
custom intercooler scoop
custom shifter linkage with a reverse lockout
hiding the wires
integrating motorcycle controls for the signals/lights
mounting the oil cooler
finding a proper fan for the radiator
finding some sport bike (or pwc or snowmobile) wind screen bubbles

All of this is on top of the normal aspects of the build.

So, I have to manage my excitement or I could easily end up feeling like I'm in a straight jacket. :eyecrazy:

[pook]

I live for this custom stuff! Even threw on a full set of trailer tie down eyes so you don't scratch up all the powder coat:coolnana:

PooK

[Garage Dweller]

So this is the one that is set up for the wider engine. Kinda like a 4g63 would need to be huh.:D Looks great as always!!:awais: I am confused on the pic of rear controll arms it looked like the arms were not both parallel. It looks as if the upper controll arm has the 3-4deg fall toward the frame like you suggested for front a arms. Optical illusion? New info lead to design change?

Yeah, I am closely admireing:wave::thumb2:

[pook]

Nope, they (upper arms) mount in the very same spot. but instead of 12 parts per side its now 4 and someone else does the cutting:thumb2:

The rear camber gains are just like the front. It all depends on what gains you want in bump as to where you mount the uppers, also remember the arm isn't what you measure by, Its the ball joints pivot point and the center of the inner bushings that count.

PooK

[pook]

Pans are cut, pre drilled and ready to go to the powder coater Marty! (and I remembered the drains this time:thumb2:)
Ive been working on the radiator shrouding and vents, and started the splitter.
PooK

[pook]

Firewalls and pans are in. Time for the hard lines (coolant tubes and brake/clutch lines...YUK!:()

PooK

[Garage Dweller]

Looking good !! Hey, speeking of radiator. How much HP will one of those little rad. cool? I am in hopes of using the one that came with my car but it is 28" wide and 16" tall. Maybe it will fit if I move it back a little and lay it down a bit. I am sure that you already have a good vender for radiator tubeing but I was looking on e bay yesterday and found someone selling aluminum tubeing in 3' and 5' lengths. I will see if I can post a link.

[Garage Dweller]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-1-2-OD-x-065-Wall-6061-Aluminum-Tube-48-Long-/160284131405?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2551adc04d

I guess they also come in 4'. I plan on calling when it is that time to see if they will cut longer pieces. If they are even still in business by then.:spin:
HTH

[pook]

Looking good !! Hey, speeking of radiator. How much HP will one of those little rad. cool? I am in hopes of using the one that came with my car but it is 28" wide and 16" tall. Maybe it will fit if I move it back a little and lay it down a bit. I am sure that you already have a good vender for radiator tubing but I was looking on e bay yesterday and found someone selling aluminum tubing in 3' and 5' lengths. I will see if I can post a link.

Hard to say, I do know this rad has 4 rows of multi pass tubes and is 4" thick, If it were a matter of pure surface area this would be 16"x12" times 4! compared to a single tube single pass. Fingers crossed!!!
That seams like an OK price for the tube but the shipping:thumbdown2:
Go to a swimming pool store and get a net pole extension...This time of year they give that stuff away! It only needs an ID that matches the smallest neck on the engine any larger is a waste of lunium!

PooK

[Garage Dweller]

H#&& I got one of those hangin on the back porch.:coolnana: I'm gessin the wife would flip if I were to take a band saw to it so I will purchase another. Sorry about the bad shipping deal. That always gets you.:thumbdown2:

[pook]

OK, Marty's is FAB finished!! and moves on to Lexington for the Shifter, custom exhaust, and fan box as well as a center scoop design I'm working on.
It was going today but mother nature decided to water the state so looks like Tuesday.
After that its off to powder.
PooK

[pook]

Headed for for the shop!
PooK

[pook]

Ive leased a section of the shop at Paul's (It wasnt being used anyway and the terms are pretty good :coolnana:)
As soon as I get the exhaust and shifter square she's headed for some Matte Black:clap:
PooK

[badermatic]

Congrats. Should make things a bit more convienient - yes??.
Marty's TR-42 sure looks slick just sitting there too. Wow.

[pook]

She's at the Powder Coater! We went with the same powder that the engine parts were done in, Cant scratch it unless you try and even that would be hard to do.
Cant wait till she's back:run:
PooK

[Karlo]

Leasing Pauls, does that mean you are moving?

[pook]

Only leasing space at Pauls .....for now:D
Things keep going well and who knows:thumb2:
Much stuff a cookin!
PooK

[badermatic]

She's at the Powder Coater! We went with the same powder that the engine parts were done in, Cant scratch it unless you try and even that would be hard to do.
Cant wait till she's back:run:
PooK

I like the texture. Should look awesome when done! :spin:

[pook]

Picked up the chassis and parts today....
Cant wait to bolt this puppy back together!
PooK

[pook]

Stealth baby!!!
PooK

[badermatic]

Very cool! I may have to rethink the color on the TR-82!!

[pook]

Marty's Car being built.
PooK

[pook]

Firewalls and brake lines.
I can tell you that heat shield material is heck on a blade Marty:run: Is it Kevlar? doesn't say on the package. The only thing I wish is that they would have rolled it vs folding it for shipping. Maybe the lines will go away once its in the sun?
PooK

[pook]

Installing the rear suspension, clutch hard lines, etc...
Cant wait to see Marty's BAW's get here!
PooK

[aba120]

Looks great Pook! Are you still using R1 shocks? Is that bellcranks for the front?

[pook]

Thanks! No we switched to Pro Shocks coil-overs.
PooK

[pook]

Front susp installed and we changed the tail lights to a unit that sits at the tips of the upper tubes (just taped on for now to test the lights):thumb2:
PooK

[Karlo]

Those are some massive brake disks!

[Allan]

The new taillights look awsome!
Are they DOT compliant?
They look like they were designed for the car.

[oneguy]

are those headlights high and low beam all in one unit?

[Alanstrike]

Hi Danny
Sensational work - wish you were here
Alan from Aust
( sent a PM )

[pook]

Those are some massive brake disks!
Not really. They just look big when the wheels are off.
Thanks Alanstrike!
PooK

[pook]

Been playing:clap:
New hi def led turn sigs and the start of the intercooler scoop.
PooK

[Steve Jarvis]

Gotta love the scoop :)

[pook]

Progress.
PooK

[Garage Dweller]

Did you build the scoop? That thing is cool !!

[pook]

Working out Marty's double bubble:D (Just sitting on the hood for now)
Also got the sways in today!
PooK

[Flat Black]

Build is looking good, cant go wrong with a Scoobi motor, compact, light and tons of power potential

Where are you in GA and when are you expecting to have the car completed and home?

[jmarsa]

Wheel and tire combo looks nice, what sizes are they?

--JMarsa

[gorilla]

I think they are 17's and the tires are 275's in the rear and 255's in the back. That's just a guess though.

[pook]

275 and 245. Good eye!
PooK (I finally have internet again...woo hoo!!!)

[gorilla]

What's the plan for the radiator?

[pook]

It's a four row compact radiator. Looks more like an intercooler than a rad.
I'm finishing the sway bar mounts and links on Marty now but will have the rad in this week so I'll post a pic or two.
PooK

[pook]

Here is the radiator installed. The plumbing is stainless flex, they have colors as well.
You can see how thick this puppy is....
I have a sort of shroud Ill be building soon with the rest of the fiberglass work.
The last pic shows the vents that will be under the car.
PooK

[gorilla]

OMG. It's looking awesome.

[pook]

Still plugging along! stated on the scoop today as well, Gonna make a cool option I think:spin:
Gotta love how low in the chassis the Suby sits!
PooK

[Steve Jarvis]

Love the scoop.

Later, Steve

[Alanstrike]

Well done Pook - how do you keep that shop so clean .. have you got pic from the rear showing overhang - the car looks great...

[badermatic]

OMG. That looks amazing. This will definitely have them drooling. Nicely done.

[gorilla]

What offset are those CCW's? And what do you suggest?

[pook]

Sorry, Ill look through my notes but think they are near 10? Marty made the final call on the wheels.
Few more pics
PooK

[cordycord]

That Porsche in the background looks SCARED. :D:D:D

[pook]

It should, it wouldn't stand a chance!
PooK

[pook]

Alright, shop is done and I'm back on the Beast!
Finished the cooling tubes and finished Your console.
Mounted the OE transponder switch and key as well.
PooK

[AUGIE]

hey marty and danny. although the 3m film looks great and is practical and price friendly, check out this website - lonestarhydrografx.com. i'm going to see what size pieces they can do and some pricing. it is just a real cool alternative for a show car finish.

[pook]

I've seen that done on American Chopper. They used a dollar print and dipped the parts?
Would be Wild! (Nothing cool like that here in KY)
We are using the 3m because it will eventually be the center of the hood as well. The idea is the carbon look starts at the nose, flows into the console, down the tunnel and up into the scoop.
The back of the seats will also be done.
PooK

[pook]

Lots and lots of Stainless!
PooK

[ViperJustin]

The second picture on your last post raises a yellow flag (cautious) for me. Are those fuel lines/brake lines parallel with the radiator hoses? The reason I ask is because I'd be concerned about heat issues on track days.


Just wondering...

[pook]

Brake lines, I wouldn't sweat it to much, cool air runs down the tunnel, besides brake fluid has a boil point many hundreds of degrees more than those 180deg coolant tubes.
PooK

[cordycord]

That paint scheme makes it easy on touch-up jobs. :)

It looks mean--like an ex-Navy seal who won the lottery commissioned the ultimate track car.